Around the League: Week 7 12/2-12/8

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Around the League: Week 7 12/2-12/8

Post by carey » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:01 pm

Nationally televised games this week

Monday: Utah @ Philadelphia 7:00 PM EST NBATv, Chicago @ Sacramento 10:00 PM EST NBATv
Tuesday: Dallas @ New Orleans 7:30 PM EST TNT, Portland @ L.A. Clippers 10:00 PM EST TNT
Wednesday: L.A. Lakers @ Utah 9:00 PM EST NBATv
Thursday: Houston @ Toronto 7:30 PM EST NBATv
Friday: Denver @ Boston 8:00 PM EST ESPN, L.A. Lakers @ Portland 10:30 PM EST ESPN
Saturday: Cleveland @ Philly 7:30 PM EST NBATv
Sunday: None.

NBA News

Carmelo Anthony named Western Conference Player of Week - https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/282 ... layer-week

The NBA’s 12 biggest surprises so far (Suns are mentioned.) - https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/11/29 ... 020-season

Trae Young will be a superstar, but can the Hawks build a winner around him? - https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/11/27 ... e-shooting

Anthony Edwards is showing why he’s the NBA Draft prospect with the highest ceiling - https://www.sbnation.com/college-basket ... ghts-stats

Red Auerbach fired a Celtics ballboy for being a Knicks fan, but the ballboy got the last laugh - https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/bask ... story.html

Brandon Ingram Through the Fire - https://bleacherreport.com/articles/286 ... h-the-fire
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Post by The Bobster » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:11 pm

Golden State loses to Atlanta by 25 tonight in a battle of the worst.

Fewest points allowed by Atlanta prior to tonight (79) had been 99 points
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Post by The Bobster » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:36 pm

The Knicks fired Fizdale today.

Nobody is going to win with that roster and front office.
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Post by ShelC » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:07 pm

I love seeing the Knicks lose and be dysfunctional as much as I love seeing the Suns win. So this season has been pretty good so far.

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Post by Superbone » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:11 pm

Wow on the Fizdale firing. I don't think it was his fault, was it?
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Post by ShelC » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:39 pm

He mismanaged the talent he was given, tho it was a bad mix of talent. Going back to last year he never seemed to install a defensive or offensive system. Talent was bad last year and they were tanking, but still nothing took shape. This year the FO signed all those guys to "win now while developing the young kids" which is hard to do (as we know from the McD Reign of Terror). Fiz was trying to run a passing/motion offense with a switching defense but the roster wasn't built for that.

Still, the FO just added too many guys this offseason, too many PFs and gave Fiz like 12-13 average guys who all need 25-30mpg. Maybe the FO signings affected his lineups/rotations. Plus, Knox has taken a step back, Mitch Robinson has plateaued at best, and DSJ isn't scaring anyone.

Bottom line is the team stopped playing for him. Back to back 30-40 pt losses with multiple 20pt losses already, they had to make a move. The FO is incompetent tho and Fiz was always going to be the scapegoat. It starts and ends with ownership tho.

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Post by Superbone » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:02 pm

Thanks for the lowdown, Shel.
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Post by Mori Chu » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:14 pm

Their offseason was an unmitigated disaster. I didn't like a single one of their FA signings. They have a few good young pieces (like Knox, Robinson, and Barrett) and I wish they'd just let the kids run and lose and learn. They panicked after not getting Durant/Kyrie and wasted their money. Fizdale is a decent coach but he wouldn't be able to get those guys to win. I still don't get why they traded Porzingis for such a mediocre haul...

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Post by Split T » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:45 pm

Porzingis wasn’t going to stay...they didn’t get a ton, but essentially 3 1sts is not bad. Plus they dumped THJ contract...of course they didn’t use the cap space well. There is definitely a path to rebuild though.

I like Mitchell Robinson. I’m pretty meh on RJ Barrett, but he’s talent. I think he’s maybe Tyreke Evans. I don’t like Knox or DSJ, but I think there is a chance Ntilikina is useful. Randle is a good basketball player.

So Ntilikina, RJ, Randle, and Robinson. Plus what should be a really good pick this upcoming draft(Cole Anthony or Anthony Edwards would be good additions) As long as they are smart with their cap space(don’t chase Giannis, just add solid players) They could be a playoff team with a bright future in a couple years.

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Post by Flagrant Fowl » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:06 pm

Fizdale is an average at best coach in the first place. Give him a screwed up roster and this is what was always bound to happen. The Knicks FO can only blame themselves, but that's not how it works.
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Post by Split T » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:36 pm

Bucks up 40 on clippers

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Post by Wormwood » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:50 am

Any interest in Love? I think he'd be a fantastic fit here. With his salary, we could probably land him for Tyler Johnson + Kaminsky. Cavs want cap space more than anything else now, and those two give it to them.

Phoenix wants wins, and a rebounding, passing, 3 point shooting big man is what the team needs most.


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Post by LazarusLong » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:07 am

Biggest concern is durability ... he's played 141 games the last three seasons.

Upside is that in a three-man 4-5 rotation, a mix of Baynes, Ayton and Love brings a great deal to the table.
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Post by specialsauce » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:10 am

Wormwood wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:50 am
Any interest in Love? I think he'd be a fantastic fit here. With his salary, we could probably land him for Tyler Johnson + Kaminsky. Cavs want cap space more than anything else now, and those two give it to them.

Phoenix wants wins, and a rebounding, passing, 3 point shooting big man is what the team needs most.

I’d give em TJ Frank Okobo and our 2020 unprotected 1st for Love and Clarkson if salaries fit

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Post by Wally_West » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:33 am

An unprotected 1st??!? What?!??

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Post by specialsauce » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:42 am

Wally_West wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:33 am
An unprotected 1st??!? What?!??
Yeah.

You got to pay to play. With love here, our first won’t be s***.

Love is not just a salary dump. He’s a multi-All Star who is still in his prime.

He’s averaging nearly 17/10 on 45/38/88 splits this year. You’re not getting him for your trash.

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Post by Wally_West » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:04 am

Kevin love would be a great fit, but he’s has a absolutely horrible contract, extremely injury prone and 31. Short term great but pretty devastating financially especially when love turns into Ryan Anderson in another year.

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Post by Split T » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:18 am

I’m not giving up a 1st for 4 years 120 million on a 31 year old injury prone PF

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Post by Democritus » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:31 am

Love is all we want...
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Post by Cap » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:39 am

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