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Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:26 am
by Mori Chu
Last 2 Week's Games
@ Cavs
Loss 90-88
vs Heat
Loss 96-104
vs Cavs
Loss 98-112
@ Warriors
WIN! 113-125
@ Nuggets
Loss 126-97
@ Wolves
Loss 121-116
@ Grizzlies
Loss 136-106
This Week's Games
Thu Jan 19 vs Nets, 8:00PM MST, TNT / Bally Sports AZ
San Jan 21 vs Pacers, 7:00PM MST, Bally Sports AZ
Sun Jan 22 vs Grizzlies, 6:00PM MST, Bally Sports AZ
Suns News
CBS SportsLine: Trade Rumors, Suns interested in Fred VanVleet?
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba- ... n-collins/
SI.com: Who the Suns Should / Shouldn't Move Ahead of the Trade Deadline
https://www.si.com/nba/suns/analysis/wh ... e-deadline
Bright Side: Know When to Fold 'Em
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2023 ... draft-tank
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:36 pm
by specialsauce
Would you guys trade DA, Cam J and 4 1sts for FVV and Siakam?
It’s a pipe dream
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:41 pm
by TOO
4 firsts? Nah. FVV isn't that good. Siakam is obviously the prize but that just seems steep. Dude is shooting 38% from the field this year.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:09 pm
by djy2j
4 firsts is way too much for that package. You'd have to throw in Anouby with all that. FVV isn't having a great year. Plus can walk this summer. About the only upcoming FA I'd have interest in a trade would be Kuzma.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:14 pm
by Mori Chu
I think 1st round picks have become undervalued. Teams are adding three, four, even five 1sts in a trade just to get one player. That kind of deal seems insane to me. You're crippling your franchise's future for like a decade. I think most of these teams making trades like that would undo the trade if they had a chance. I just don't see the Toronto assets as worth giving up that many picks for.
FVV in particular isn't worth such a price. He's having a legitimately bad year. I might even prefer Cam Payne and DWJ over FVV right now given the salary and numbers.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:29 pm
by TOO
The Suns especially should not be in the market for just handing out firsts, this team NEEDS young cheap talent, otherwise you get stuck with a bunch of Gleague bench guys on the minimum.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:52 pm
by Superbone
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:29 pm
The Suns especially should not be in the market for just handing out firsts, this team NEEDS young cheap talent, otherwise you get stuck with a bunch of Gleague bench guys on the minimum.
Yeah, but look how much fun we're having!
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:48 pm
by virtual9mm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:14 pm
I think 1st round picks have become undervalued. Teams are adding three, four, even five 1sts in a trade just to get one player. That kind of deal seems insane to me. You're crippling your franchise's future for like a decade. I think most of these teams making trades like that would undo the trade if they had a chance. I just don't see the Toronto assets as worth giving up that many picks for.
FVV in particular isn't worth such a price. He's having a legitimately bad year. I might even prefer Cam Payne and DWJ over FVV right now given the salary and numbers.
To me, that's a valid reason for selling. If you can move Ayton for 4 1sts, I think you have to do it, consequences be damned.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:14 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
No one is giving 4 first round picks for Deandre Ayton.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:15 pm
by Superbone
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:14 pm
No one is giving 4 first round picks for Deandre Ayton.
The way he's playing lately, we may have to give up some firsts to unload him. (I kid, Jeremy, I kid!)
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:15 pm
by Superbone
OK. Here we go!
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:34 pm
by virtual9mm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:14 pm
No one is giving 4 first round picks for Deandre Ayton.
That's why I'm probably not a seller.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:35 pm
by virtual9mm
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:15 pm
OK. Here we go!
This is when I start considering a break from the site haha
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:35 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:34 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:14 pm
No one is giving 4 first round picks for Deandre Ayton.
That's why I'm probably not a seller.
You're driving a hard bargain there..
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:44 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I'll just repost myself from two months ago..
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:30 am
I dream of James Jones trading Paul (Charlotte?) to clear room for a Fred VanVleet free agent offer during the summer.
The worrying thing with Ayton is that he's already floating and he technically can't be traded right now. How's he going to play when his name is in trade rumors this winter?
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:02 pm
by Split T
You guys are crazy, I’d easily give up 4 1sts for Siakam and FVV
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:23 pm
by TOO
Split T wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:02 pm
You guys are crazy, I’d easily give up 4 1sts for Siakam and FVV
Then you gotta overpay FVV to keep him, not interested in that.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:34 pm
by specialsauce
virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:35 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:15 pm
OK. Here we go!
This is when I start considering a break from the site haha
We could go down in history as the first franchise to waste 2 first overall picks on underwhelming centers
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:35 pm
by specialsauce
Split T wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:02 pm
You guys are crazy, I’d easily give up 4 1sts for Siakam and FVV
I knew I liked you, finally a guy with sense
Re: Suns News: Week 14 (1/16 - 1/22)
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:36 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
How many PGs are clearly a level better?
Steph Curry
Luka Doncic
Damian Lillard
Kyrie Irving
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Ja Morant
I think he's firmly in this group..
DeAaron Fox $30.3M
Jalen Brunson $27.7M
Tyrese Haliburton
Jamal Murray $31.6M
Trae Young
LaMelo Ball
Jrue Holiday $33.6M
Seems to me like his next contract will be right at market value.