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Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:56 am
by Superbone
Time: 5:00 pm AZ (4:00 pm PT / 7:00 pm ET)
Place: Amway Center, Orlando, FL
TV: FSAZ/NBALP
I think we may see more consistent effort tonight to get back on the winning track. I think and hope these guys are sick of losing.
Go Suns!!!
Dis • cuss
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:33 am
by SDC
channing frye gonna kill us.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:26 am
by ShelC
Shots fired:
"To be honest with you, we didn't really even have a chance," Sarver told the radio station. "He had mentioned he was interested in coming back, and then when he was talking to Orlando, he just called and said, 'Hey, you've got three minutes to match this offer.'
"And we just let him go. To be honest with you, Channing was a good piece of what we did, but I think we're better off now without him because it allows these younger guys to play."
Frye took exception to Sarver's comment that the Suns didn't have a chance to match the Magic's offer.
"I think we have to take what that front office says with a grain of salt," Frye told reporters on Tuesday. "I think right now they need to focus on their own team. I think we had many negotiations between [us and] the Suns."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o ... ?track=rss
Someone else mentioned the Sarver stuff in another thread. I was going to call bullshit on it then and I'm calling bullshit on it now. Maybe Frye is using the Dragic stuff to cover his own story but I've always said where there's smoke there's fire with Sarver and we know he can be a petty hothead. Most likely, the suns and Frye's agent negotiated back and forth all year, it probably got contentious at times, Frye got a better deal and gave the Suns a chance to match. I don't think he came out of the blue one day and said, "You've got 3 minutes" in some dramatic James Bond type of scene. It was probably leading up to that point.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:41 am
by OE32
The front office seems to be speaking from a position of insecurity. It's unwarranted. From a business perspective, they need to understand two things. One, they've already made a ton of money over the last few years by virtue of being an NBA franchise in such a prosperous era. Relax! Second, basketball is a cycle. Sure, the Suns have rarely had prolonged playoff droughts, but some teams have had it soooo bad. Would you exchange places with the a Warriors fan? Well, I'm 30, not 60 or 10, so no. We had to let Frye go. IMO, we had to let Dragic go, too. WISH THEM THE BEST AND MOVE THE **** ON.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:55 am
by ShelC
Yea, things aren't always going to work out with free agents and feelings are going to get hurt. But just say, "We decided to move in a different direction" and leave it at that. You can't try and justify every single move every single time.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:41 am
by Mori Chu
Suns brass needs to just pipe down. It helps nothing to make these kinds of disrespectful comments about past players, whether true or not.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:44 am
by In2ition
Agreed
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:45 am
by carey
Mori Chu wrote:Suns brass needs to just pipe down. It helps nothing to make these kinds of disrespectful comments about past players, whether true or not.
Babby is much better about the no comment thing than the others. He did get super offended by Dragic though. You could tell. Sarver basically answers anything his buddy Gambo asks.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:52 pm
by JCSunsfan
Mori Chu wrote:Suns brass needs to just pipe down. It helps nothing to make these kinds of disrespectful comments about past players, whether true or not.
OK. I am not trying to be a Sarver apologist, but what was disrespectful about saying what he did. Channing got a great offer, he gave the Suns three minutes to match (his prerogative. He didn't have to give them a chance at all). The Suns hesitated and lost him. Sarver commented on how important Frye had been and about how this situations seems to be working out for the best for all parties in the end.
How is that disrespect? I don't get it.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:25 pm
by TOO
I think people are reaching for q reason to blame Sarver for something. Someone has to take the blame for the current mess.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:59 pm
by Indy
JCSunsfan wrote:Mori Chu wrote:Suns brass needs to just pipe down. It helps nothing to make these kinds of disrespectful comments about past players, whether true or not.
OK. I am not trying to be a Sarver apologist, but what was disrespectful about saying what he did. Channing got a great offer, he gave the Suns three minutes to match (his prerogative. He didn't have to give them a chance at all). The Suns hesitated and lost him. Sarver commented on how important Frye had been and about how this situations seems to be working out for the best for all parties in the end.
How is that disrespect? I don't get it.
I agree with your sentiment. I think the question comes down to whether or not the story is true. I doubt Sarver got a call out of the blue that said, you have three minutes to match, starting... NOW! Like Shel already said, it was probably brewing for weeks, so to portray it that way is counter-productive.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:15 pm
by Superbone
JCSunsfan wrote:Mori Chu wrote:Suns brass needs to just pipe down. It helps nothing to make these kinds of disrespectful comments about past players, whether true or not.
OK. I am not trying to be a Sarver apologist, but what was disrespectful about saying what he did. Channing got a great offer, he gave the Suns three minutes to match (his prerogative. He didn't have to give them a chance at all). The Suns hesitated and lost him. Sarver commented on how important Frye had been and about how this situations seems to be working out for the best for all parties in the end.
How is that disrespect? I don't get it.
I don't either.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:52 pm
by carey
Gambo had some story today (caught the tail end of it) about Channing trying to get ahold of the front office but couldn't because they were on a flight somewhere & by the time they landed the deal was done. So... that doesn't really jive with anything we've heard so far.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:54 pm
by In2ition
What happened to in-flight phone calls?
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:58 pm
by carey
In2ition wrote:What happened to in-flight phone calls?
Right. These guys fly on private planes. There is no fucking chance they can't be reached mid-flight. I'm sure they have wi-fi and stuff to. I call MAJOR bull-shit on this one. Most likely Gambo covering for Sarver as per usual. McDonough is coming up in 2 minutes on KTAR.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:15 pm
by carey
That was the worst McDonough interview I have listened to so far. He brushed aside every criticism and concern Burns had. I think I will write that letter as I'm not a very happy fan right now.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:45 pm
by OE32
Saying we're in a playoff push is just bullshit. Desperate to fill those seats, I guess. No faith that Suns fans are interested in watching young players grow. I think they're right about that, unfortunately.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:55 pm
by bwgood77
carey wrote:Gambo had some story today (caught the tail end of it) about Channing trying to get ahold of the front office but couldn't because they were on a flight somewhere & by the time they landed the deal was done. So... that doesn't really jive with anything we've heard so far.
Even if they couldn't reach him on the flight, I can't see how you don't tell Orlando or your agent "Hey, they are on a flight. Lets make sure we get their answer because I'd rather play there for the same money."
Unless, of course, Orlando put him on the spot and said they were going to move on if they don't get an answer by a certain time.
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:19 pm
by carey
I forgot that Tobias Harris was Frye's cousin. Maybe we don't chase him this Summer....
Re: Game Day: Suns (31-30) @ Magic (19-42), Wed 3/4/15
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:23 pm
by EDC
A big factor missing from that is the agent situation. The agents say they are only looking out for what is best for their client but they do favors for teams and owe favors. Maybe Orlando did him a solid so he had a reason to move his client to their team as long as the money was the same.
The Dragic thing blew up after time with his agent. Most of our front offices anger seemed to be directed towards Duffy.