Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:02 pm
JJJ averages under 5 rebounds...
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Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:03 pm
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:09 pm
Trae Young is one of the worst defensive players in the league.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:10 pm
I get Trae and Doncic being ahead but come on, man. 
At the end of the day, I don’t understand argument against DA getting the max, MIL is gonna be paying him after we trade him next summer for Giannis, so what’s the big deal?
*I can dream, can’t I???
At the end of the day, I don’t understand argument against DA getting the max, MIL is gonna be paying him after we trade him next summer for Giannis, so what’s the big deal?
*I can dream, can’t I???
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:20 pm
So was Steve Nash. And in no way am I saying Trae is nearly as good, but this league is not about defense. Equal levels of offense and defense ends up with offense winning. This isn't hockey or soccer where defense is more important.The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:09 pmTrae Young is one of the worst defensive players in the league.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:22 pm
I should have said that if the draft were re-done, those are the players I think are better. I didn't mean that JJJ is a better player today. I think he will be when it is all done, or at least is worth the risk of taking him over DA.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:22 pm
Wally_West wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:10 pmI get Trae and Doncic being ahead but come on, man.
At the end of the day, I don’t understand argument against DA getting the max, MIL is gonna be paying him after we trade him next summer for Giannis, so what’s the big deal?
*I can dream, can’t I???
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:32 pm
Ayton finished 14th on the suns in free throw rate... just ahead of Ty Jerome.The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:09 pmTrae Young is one of the worst defensive players in the league.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:36 pm
We had better not let him walk. We should be able to get something decent for him if we go that route.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:37 pm
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:37 pm
You can make the argument but there's no way I'm doing that trade.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:41 pm
I really don't get all the Ayton hate. Even though he's only partly plugged in, he's still getting 18-12 and is a defensive anchor. Some of you are trying to tell me that a stick figure who shoots 3's and doesn't rebound and defend (JJJ) is going to have a higher ceiling. It doesn't compute.
Someday, the lights will turn on and stay on and Ayton is going to be an all-time top 10 center. Or maybe they won't and he'll still be Patrick Ewing lite. And he's still be more valuable than many of you are giving him credit for.
IIRC a lot of the criticism that Ayton is receiving isn't so different from what was said of Olajuwon back when he was Akeem -- not focused, not tuned in, and empty stats. But I was kind of young back then so I may not be remembering 100% correctly.
Someday, the lights will turn on and stay on and Ayton is going to be an all-time top 10 center. Or maybe they won't and he'll still be Patrick Ewing lite. And he's still be more valuable than many of you are giving him credit for.
IIRC a lot of the criticism that Ayton is receiving isn't so different from what was said of Olajuwon back when he was Akeem -- not focused, not tuned in, and empty stats. But I was kind of young back then so I may not be remembering 100% correctly.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:46 pm
The problem is "Patrick Ewing lite" isn't worth a max salary.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:51 pm
No way.
Luka, yes.
Trae, maybe.
Everyone else- not a chance. Not even fully healthy.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:58 pm
For the record, I think it’s about what JJJ can be. I haven’t watched him enough to know how good he is defensively, but he was an elite defensive prospect. The numbers haven’t been kind to him though and show that Ayton is better right now on defense. But he’s also super young still. We’ll see what he ends up like.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:41 pmI really don't get all the Ayton hate. Even though he's only partly plugged in, he's still getting 18-12 and is a defensive anchor. Some of you are trying to tell me that a stick figure who shoots 3's and doesn't rebound and defend (JJJ) is going to have a higher ceiling. It doesn't compute.
Someday, the lights will turn on and stay on and Ayton is going to be an all-time top 10 center. Or maybe they won't and he'll still be Patrick Ewing lite. And he's still be more valuable than many of you are giving him credit for.
IIRC a lot of the criticism that Ayton is receiving isn't so different from what was said of Olajuwon back when he was Akeem -- not focused, not tuned in, and empty stats. But I was kind of young back then so I may not be remembering 100% correctly.
Offensively he’s is just so valuable though. He shot 39% from 3 last year on high volume(6.5 3’s a game). That’s just so valuable from potentially the C position. He can also attack off the dribble a bit. If the defense comes around, he’s close to the perfect modern center.
Ayton is a more productive player now. He’s better defensively, better finisher, better rebounder. But I think we’re still trying to figure out what he’s gonna be. I think the defense is actually pretty promising, but he’s kind of a mystery on offense. Seems kinda stuck between what he should be and what he wants to be. He wants to be KAT, he should be David Robinson.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:04 pm
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:07 pm
Haha, my guess is neither would look foolish. I think both will be good players. I think what SGA provides will be harder to find than what DA provides...but I’ll throw it in my sig, we’ll see who’s more right.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:26 pm
this. it certainly is a gamble due to injury, but I would probably do it. I am worried we have seen close to Ayton's ceiling (meaning he never gets the aggression it takes on the court to be dominaytionSplit T wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:58 pmFor the record, I think it’s about what JJJ can be. I haven’t watched him enough to know how good he is defensively, but he was an elite defensive prospect. The numbers haven’t been kind to him though and show that Ayton is better right now on defense. But he’s also super young still. We’ll see what he ends up like.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:41 pmI really don't get all the Ayton hate. Even though he's only partly plugged in, he's still getting 18-12 and is a defensive anchor. Some of you are trying to tell me that a stick figure who shoots 3's and doesn't rebound and defend (JJJ) is going to have a higher ceiling. It doesn't compute.
Someday, the lights will turn on and stay on and Ayton is going to be an all-time top 10 center. Or maybe they won't and he'll still be Patrick Ewing lite. And he's still be more valuable than many of you are giving him credit for.
IIRC a lot of the criticism that Ayton is receiving isn't so different from what was said of Olajuwon back when he was Akeem -- not focused, not tuned in, and empty stats. But I was kind of young back then so I may not be remembering 100% correctly.
Offensively he’s is just so valuable though. He shot 39% from 3 last year on high volume(6.5 3’s a game). That’s just so valuable from potentially the C position. He can also attack off the dribble a bit. If the defense comes around, he’s close to the perfect modern center.
Ayton is a more productive player now. He’s better defensively, better finisher, better rebounder. But I think we’re still trying to figure out what he’s gonna be. I think the defense is actually pretty promising, but he’s kind of a mystery on offense. Seems kinda stuck between what he should be and what he wants to be. He wants to be KAT, he should be David Robinson.
) and I think JJJ is closer to getting it. But that isn't hate for Ayton. He made great strides last year on defense, and that is a huge step for a 2nd year center.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:53 pm
No f'n way would I trade DA for SGA. Not even close, and I would have traded the #1 + something for SGA.
Re: Free Agency Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:53 pm