Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?

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What do you think Deandre Ayton's immediate future is with the Suns?

Poll ended at Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:47 am

Suns keep him for the duration of the 2022-2023 season
8
31%
He's on the roster to start the season but is traded mid-season
2
8%
Suns trade him before the season starts
16
62%
 
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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:22 pm
And what was our record in these games?
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Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
That’s the only thing you get from those quotes? Did you hear where Ayton said he wanted a bigger role in the offense and was shot down? He wanted to do more. Monte and CP3 limit him. His numbers went down with CP3, not up. That says something.
In the B.C. years, Ayton averaged 15.34 FGA/36 and scored 19.73/36 on 56.95%FG.

In the W.C. years, Ayton averaged 13.0 FGA/36 and scored 18.75/36 on 63.0%FG.

So yeah, his took 2 less shots per 36 minutes, and scored 1 less point per 36. But he was WAY more efficient with CP--a 6% increase in FG% is ridiculous.


Also, his Oboards went down by 0.5/36--If he even kept that at the same as before Paul, it should have given him the same scoring average as before.
This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
Agreed if we just fed him. But if those extra shots came off of o-boards or DHOs, I think it would help us win.
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Superbone wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:49 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:22 pm
And what was our record in these games?
I don't think it matters. This stat says that when our #1 option isn't playing, our #2 option increases his scoring output by... 2 points. Whew. Then calls him a "legit star."

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Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
That’s the only thing you get from those quotes? Did you hear where Ayton said he wanted a bigger role in the offense and was shot down? He wanted to do more. Monte and CP3 limit him. His numbers went down with CP3, not up. That says something.
In the B.C. years, Ayton averaged 15.34 FGA/36 and scored 19.73/36 on 56.95%FG.

In the W.C. years, Ayton averaged 13.0 FGA/36 and scored 18.75/36 on 63.0%FG.

So yeah, his took 2 less shots per 36 minutes, and scored 1 less point per 36. But he was WAY more efficient with CP--a 6% increase in FG% is ridiculous.


Also, his Oboards went down by 0.5/36--If he even kept that at the same as before Paul, it should have given him the same scoring average as before.
This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
The Suns have more wins when it happens. I posted the stats last month.
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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:13 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
That’s the only thing you get from those quotes? Did you hear where Ayton said he wanted a bigger role in the offense and was shot down? He wanted to do more. Monte and CP3 limit him. His numbers went down with CP3, not up. That says something.
In the B.C. years, Ayton averaged 15.34 FGA/36 and scored 19.73/36 on 56.95%FG.

In the W.C. years, Ayton averaged 13.0 FGA/36 and scored 18.75/36 on 63.0%FG.

So yeah, his took 2 less shots per 36 minutes, and scored 1 less point per 36. But he was WAY more efficient with CP--a 6% increase in FG% is ridiculous.


Also, his Oboards went down by 0.5/36--If he even kept that at the same as before Paul, it should have given him the same scoring average as before.
This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
The Suns have more wins when it happens. I posted the stats last month.
when what happens?

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Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:14 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:13 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
That’s the only thing you get from those quotes? Did you hear where Ayton said he wanted a bigger role in the offense and was shot down? He wanted to do more. Monte and CP3 limit him. His numbers went down with CP3, not up. That says something.
In the B.C. years, Ayton averaged 15.34 FGA/36 and scored 19.73/36 on 56.95%FG.

In the W.C. years, Ayton averaged 13.0 FGA/36 and scored 18.75/36 on 63.0%FG.

So yeah, his took 2 less shots per 36 minutes, and scored 1 less point per 36. But he was WAY more efficient with CP--a 6% increase in FG% is ridiculous.


Also, his Oboards went down by 0.5/36--If he even kept that at the same as before Paul, it should have given him the same scoring average as before.
This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
The Suns have more wins when it happens. I posted the stats last month.
when what happens?
When he gets more FGA.
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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:15 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:14 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:13 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am


In the B.C. years, Ayton averaged 15.34 FGA/36 and scored 19.73/36 on 56.95%FG.

In the W.C. years, Ayton averaged 13.0 FGA/36 and scored 18.75/36 on 63.0%FG.

So yeah, his took 2 less shots per 36 minutes, and scored 1 less point per 36. But he was WAY more efficient with CP--a 6% increase in FG% is ridiculous.


Also, his Oboards went down by 0.5/36--If he even kept that at the same as before Paul, it should have given him the same scoring average as before.
This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
The Suns have more wins when it happens. I posted the stats last month.
when what happens?
When he gets more FGA.
Do you think he gets more FGAs when he is rebounding more and when he is sealing more and generally when he is playing harder?

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Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:19 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:15 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:14 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:13 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm


This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
The Suns have more wins when it happens. I posted the stats last month.
when what happens?
When he gets more FGA.
Do you think he gets more FGAs when he is rebounding more and when he is sealing more and generally when he is playing harder?
I don't know, it seems like whenever he is sealing they refuse to pass him the ball.
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I don't know what you are watching, then.

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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:50 pm
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:13 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:30 pm
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:04 pm


LOL, I recently saw some else said “Go to hell idiot” but I’m the one calling personal stuff, good one Jeremy, but let’s take it from here then.

Minorities matter, but 31% percent is not enough to pass any kind of bill -as a Max Contract would be- and particularly, on a poll with a Yes or No choice on it, 31% is clearly being on the wrong side of it, on this cases it’s not sizable, it’s just plain wrong by a landslide. And to use your own style, you would run to point out that 937 IS NOT a thousand people, so you are plain wrong.

What about the paragraph about the market settling the max discussion? Theres was nothing personal on it, why did you leave it out of your response?
The minority is always wrong? That sounds like a dangerous approach to take. Besides, my point was not whether I am on the right side or wrong side, but whether there are others (unrelated to Deandre) that are on my side.

After Ayton signs a contract, I'll address the market discussion.
Funny way to backpedal things, you were pretty insisting about how the entire league was willing to max Ayton, once proved wrong, you are leaving it for later, hindsight in hand.
Only because the market had not spoken yet.

The market value for DA says that he is a max player.
LOL, you couldn’t resist yourself, trying to prove you right by calling a bird flying by, the whole summer.

The market set him aside, and ignored his asking price.

It’s only because Ayton’s agent finally found a team desperate enough to throw an offer sheet (maybe collecting past favors) is that we finally saw some movement on this end. This lonely offer from a marginal team does not equals to him being a Max Player, just another soon-to-be-overpaid player.

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Aztec Sunsfan wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:43 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:50 pm
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:13 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:30 pm
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:04 pm


LOL, I recently saw some else said “Go to hell idiot” but I’m the one calling personal stuff, good one Jeremy, but let’s take it from here then.

Minorities matter, but 31% percent is not enough to pass any kind of bill -as a Max Contract would be- and particularly, on a poll with a Yes or No choice on it, 31% is clearly being on the wrong side of it, on this cases it’s not sizable, it’s just plain wrong by a landslide. And to use your own style, you would run to point out that 937 IS NOT a thousand people, so you are plain wrong.

What about the paragraph about the market settling the max discussion? Theres was nothing personal on it, why did you leave it out of your response?
The minority is always wrong? That sounds like a dangerous approach to take. Besides, my point was not whether I am on the right side or wrong side, but whether there are others (unrelated to Deandre) that are on my side.

After Ayton signs a contract, I'll address the market discussion.
Funny way to backpedal things, you were pretty insisting about how the entire league was willing to max Ayton, once proved wrong, you are leaving it for later, hindsight in hand.
Only because the market had not spoken yet.

The market value for DA says that he is a max player.
LOL, you couldn’t resist yourself, trying to prove you right by calling a bird flying by, the whole summer.

The market set him aside, and ignored his asking price.

It’s only because Ayton’s agent finally found a team desperate enough to throw an offer sheet (maybe collecting past favors) is that we finally saw some movement on this end. This lonely offer from a marginal team does not equals to him being a Max Player, just another soon-to-be-overpaid player.
Lol, now that you've been proven wrong you have to make excuses. There were only two teams with max cap space and the Spurs want to keep the space and tank.
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He signed it


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Wrong thread.
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Oops

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Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:07 pm
Oops
And you would have beat Jeremy too! :P
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Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
That’s the only thing you get from those quotes? Did you hear where Ayton said he wanted a bigger role in the offense and was shot down? He wanted to do more. Monte and CP3 limit him. His numbers went down with CP3, not up. That says something.
In the B.C. years, Ayton averaged 15.34 FGA/36 and scored 19.73/36 on 56.95%FG.

In the W.C. years, Ayton averaged 13.0 FGA/36 and scored 18.75/36 on 63.0%FG.

So yeah, his took 2 less shots per 36 minutes, and scored 1 less point per 36. But he was WAY more efficient with CP--a 6% increase in FG% is ridiculous.


Also, his Oboards went down by 0.5/36--If he even kept that at the same as before Paul, it should have given him the same scoring average as before.
This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
If those 10 shots only generate six points, it won’t translate to more wins. But that assumption is kind of begging the question, isn’t it? Ayton’s TS% is a bit higher than .300, if you hadn’t noticed.

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Cap wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:09 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
That’s the only thing you get from those quotes? Did you hear where Ayton said he wanted a bigger role in the offense and was shot down? He wanted to do more. Monte and CP3 limit him. His numbers went down with CP3, not up. That says something.
In the B.C. years, Ayton averaged 15.34 FGA/36 and scored 19.73/36 on 56.95%FG.

In the W.C. years, Ayton averaged 13.0 FGA/36 and scored 18.75/36 on 63.0%FG.

So yeah, his took 2 less shots per 36 minutes, and scored 1 less point per 36. But he was WAY more efficient with CP--a 6% increase in FG% is ridiculous.


Also, his Oboards went down by 0.5/36--If he even kept that at the same as before Paul, it should have given him the same scoring average as before.
This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
If those 10 shots only generate six points, it won’t translate to more wins. But that assumption is kind of begging the question, isn’t it? Ayton’s TS% is a bit higher than .300, if you hadn’t noticed.
But a huge part of his TS% is where we get him the ball. You can't get him the ball in those spots if he doesn't force himself there.

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Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:12 pm
Cap wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:09 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Indy wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:09 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:36 am
That’s the only thing you get from those quotes? Did you hear where Ayton said he wanted a bigger role in the offense and was shot down? He wanted to do more. Monte and CP3 limit him. His numbers went down with CP3, not up. That says something.
In the B.C. years, Ayton averaged 15.34 FGA/36 and scored 19.73/36 on 56.95%FG.

In the W.C. years, Ayton averaged 13.0 FGA/36 and scored 18.75/36 on 63.0%FG.

So yeah, his took 2 less shots per 36 minutes, and scored 1 less point per 36. But he was WAY more efficient with CP--a 6% increase in FG% is ridiculous.


Also, his Oboards went down by 0.5/36--If he even kept that at the same as before Paul, it should have given him the same scoring average as before.
This line of argument doesn’t address the important question: what’s better for the Suns?

Yes, we could feed DA all game and have him put up 10 more shots a game and score 23 points instead of 17. I don’t think that translates to more wins.
If those 10 shots only generate six points, it won’t translate to more wins. But that assumption is kind of begging the question, isn’t it? Ayton’s TS% is a bit higher than .300, if you hadn’t noticed.
But a huge part of his TS% is where we get him the ball. You can't get him the ball in those spots if he doesn't force himself there.
If we told him he's going to be featured in our offense, he would force himself there.
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Do you remember Monty having to beg him to play hard during the Finals? THE FINALS!

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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:46 pm
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:43 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:50 pm
Aztec Sunsfan wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:13 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:30 pm


The minority is always wrong? That sounds like a dangerous approach to take. Besides, my point was not whether I am on the right side or wrong side, but whether there are others (unrelated to Deandre) that are on my side.

After Ayton signs a contract, I'll address the market discussion.
Funny way to backpedal things, you were pretty insisting about how the entire league was willing to max Ayton, once proved wrong, you are leaving it for later, hindsight in hand.
Only because the market had not spoken yet.

The market value for DA says that he is a max player.
LOL, you couldn’t resist yourself, trying to prove you right by calling a bird flying by, the whole summer.

The market set him aside, and ignored his asking price.

It’s only because Ayton’s agent finally found a team desperate enough to throw an offer sheet (maybe collecting past favors) is that we finally saw some movement on this end. This lonely offer from a marginal team does not equals to him being a Max Player, just another soon-to-be-overpaid player.
Lol, now that you've been proven wrong you have to make excuses. There were only two teams with max cap space and the Spurs want to keep the space and tank.
No idea what are you calling excuses. There were many teams with the possibility to get Ayton, just look what the Mavs did to get Gobert, or the Knicks for Brunson and now Mitchell, but there were only ONE team making Ayton a late offer (one of the worst FA destinations), the rest of the market ignored him. Pacers are banking on the chance to finally landing some relevant free agent, and OVERPAYING HIM to convince Ayton and make it happen. I already said that at 20mill (25 also) Ayton would already be signed, is the stubbornness to milk every possible dollar on both sides that lead us here.

But that’s not market value, that was an agent doing a hell of a job with a team nobody else would be willing to go.

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