Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by INFORMER » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:31 pm

The Bobster wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:22 pm
Murray with 46/6/8.
But it's no big deal we drafted Bender over him. ;)
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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by Split T » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:58 pm

Murray did miss 8 more shots and commit 5 more turnovers than Bender...

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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by Superbone » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:26 am

Glad to see they never gave up and kept fighting. Impressive that they got within 3.
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Post by Superbone » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:27 am

Now, if we could just stop those huge quarters for the opposition. Especially the 1st quarter every game.
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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by bajanguy008 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:01 am

Thought this thread would have been more active but guess the start of the game probably turned ppl off.
Mikal is coming along with his 3pt shot which is good
Ayton really showing me something this last two weeks I can appreciate the resiliency too but anybody who paying attention to my posts it's the defense that I was starting to get excited about
So these 34/36 pt first quarters and giving up 40 to guards is really annoying me
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Post by Split T » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:55 am

Wasn’t really an issue with Ayton in this game. We obviously didn’t play great D on Murray, but he was just on fire and did most his damage from the perimeter. In the first quarter, we lost him too many times on switches/screens.

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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:18 am

INFORMER wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:31 pm
The Bobster wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:22 pm
Murray with 46/6/8.
But it's no big deal we drafted Bender over him. ;)
I bet Bender hasn't accumulated 46/6/8 this whole season.

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Post by MightyMoog » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:25 pm

We royally effed up that draft. We could’ve easily come away with Sabonis and and just kept bogdanovic. Then we gave up on the two guys that actually showed some flashes to keep the stuff in Bender. Not that Chriss or Ulis have amounted to much, but had we invested in some proper player development, I think they could’ve turned into serviceable players.

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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by iLLmatic » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:38 pm

I'm not worried about getting rid of chriss or uliss. I'm pissed about trading Bogdan and not drafting Murray. Idiots.

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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by Shabazz » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:14 pm

We made a lot of mistakes that centered around having Bledsoe on the roster.
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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by Split T » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:28 pm

iLLmatic wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:38 pm
I'm not worried about getting rid of chriss or uliss. I'm pissed about trading Bogdan and not drafting Murray. Idiots.
I try to avoid getting upset about moves that look stupid in hindsight. There were some risks with the moves we made, and obviously we ended up on the wrong side in both cases,but that’s how things go sometimes. I don’t think either move was terrible at the time.

I never wanted bender. I understood the pick and was fine with it but I wanted Hield at 4. Between Chriss and Bender I wanted Chriss. I didn’t think drafting both of them was a great idea, but I was fine with the Chriss trade because that’s who I wanted over Bender anyways. I didn’t really care about bogdon. He was an ok prospect at the one position we had a good player. He’s ended up better than I thought and he’d be nice to have, but he is a little pricey.

What would everyone do with hindsight?

I’d draft Hield or Murray at 4 and then I’d still make the same trade with the kings, I’d just draft Sabonis instead. So the trade itself wasn’t bad, we just made the wrong pick.

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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by TheOriginalOriginal » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:52 pm

Those were my top 3 guys at 4, just saying. :D
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Post by djy2j » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:23 am

DVR didn't record this one for some reason. Glad Ayton had a monster game. From the box score looks like the bench was pretty ineffective
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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by Indy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:27 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:29 pm
The Bobster wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:32 pm
They don't look to him with any regularity though, and the entry passing on this team is abysmal.

Denver didn't take Ayton out of the game in the 3rd quarter, Booker, Warren and ultimately Igor did.
Two things here:

1. Inability to find big men plaguing the entire game of basketball. I see it so often in college basketball how often guards fail to find big men in the post or on pick and roll/pop. It is side effect of this era of launch threes at will. It's like everyone missed that in addition to being able to find QUALITY looks from 3, the 7SOL offense (Nash) was superb at getting the ball to the rolling big man (Amar'e) or feeding the big in the post on switches (Diaw and Tim Thomas, circa 2006).

2. This is one of the things I hate about our collection of wings: too little passing ability, poor defense, and hardly any rebounding.
I know I am way late, but it is taking time to get through the old threads as I was gone for a week.

On #2--I have been a HUGE critic of Josh's, but the last couple of games he has been really good at being in control (most of the time). And I would say the only people we have between 2-4 on the roster that are good at passing to the bigs are Devin and Josh.

Neither of those guys are good rebounders, but I think Josh has potential to be a good defender.

I keep struggling to find a good mix for 3/4, but I just don't see it anywhere on our roster, even with continued development. I get the impression we are going to go from where we were with PGs a few years ago, to SFs (that we pretend are also PFs) and not improve our team at all.

I like seeing what those long guys can do when things are clicking, but if we aren't getting in the open court, they just can't help us do much. It is so frustrating to watch.

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Re: Game Day: Nuggets (22-11) @ Suns (9-27), Sat 12/29/18

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:48 am

Zion will be the PF next year. :-)

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Post by Indy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:56 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:48 am
Zion will be the PF next year. :-)
There is no way, even with the worst record, we will win the lottery again. Because I am a masochist, I ran through the tankathon simulation a few times. We came away with the 6th pick 5 times as often as the 1st. I know it is just an odds machine, and the odds are flatter than before. But right now 5 teams have 12 wins or less. ATL (12), CHI/NYK/PHX (10), CLE (8). It is reasonable to expect we could end up anywhere between 1 and 5. The 5th team has a 27% chance of picking 7th... and a 10% of 1st. They could pick as late as 9th.

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Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:51 am

I agree that we're unlikely to pick first. It'll be good to learn about 7-8 of the top prospects so I can get excited about at least getting one of them. We'll be drafting high enough that we should still be able to come away with a high-impact player.

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Post by carey » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:18 am

Indy wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:48 am
Zion will be the PF next year. :-)
There is no way, even with the worst record, we will win the lottery again. Because I am a masochist, I ran through the tankathon simulation a few times. We came away with the 6th pick 5 times as often as the 1st. I know it is just an odds machine, and the odds are flatter than before. But right now 5 teams have 12 wins or less. ATL (12), CHI/NYK/PHX (10), CLE (8). It is reasonable to expect we could end up anywhere between 1 and 5. The 5th team has a 27% chance of picking 7th... and a 10% of 1st. They could pick as late as 9th.
We could come out of this season with only the 9th pick? f*** that's gross.

Zion to Cleveland is a done deal btw.
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Post by Indy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:42 am

carey wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:18 am
Indy wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:48 am
Zion will be the PF next year. :-)
There is no way, even with the worst record, we will win the lottery again. Because I am a masochist, I ran through the tankathon simulation a few times. We came away with the 6th pick 5 times as often as the 1st. I know it is just an odds machine, and the odds are flatter than before. But right now 5 teams have 12 wins or less. ATL (12), CHI/NYK/PHX (10), CLE (8). It is reasonable to expect we could end up anywhere between 1 and 5. The 5th team has a 27% chance of picking 7th... and a 10% of 1st. They could pick as late as 9th.
We could come out of this season with only the 9th pick? f*** that's gross.

Zion to Cleveland is a done deal btw.
Do you really think the lottery is rigged?

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Post by Cap » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:07 am

Indy wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:42 am
carey wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:18 am
Indy wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:48 am
Zion will be the PF next year. :-)
There is no way, even with the worst record, we will win the lottery again. Because I am a masochist, I ran through the tankathon simulation a few times. We came away with the 6th pick 5 times as often as the 1st. I know it is just an odds machine, and the odds are flatter than before. But right now 5 teams have 12 wins or less. ATL (12), CHI/NYK/PHX (10), CLE (8). It is reasonable to expect we could end up anywhere between 1 and 5. The 5th team has a 27% chance of picking 7th... and a 10% of 1st. They could pick as late as 9th.
We could come out of this season with only the 9th pick? f*** that's gross.

Zion to Cleveland is a done deal btw.
Do you really think the lottery is rigged?
Only by Lachesis.

You know, we’ve been in the lottery 1500 years, we’ve got twice as many #1s as that. Zion is the latest in a long line of bastards to be drafted first overall and he will be the latest to go to Cleveland. Fate wills it so.
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