NBA Draft 2020
Re: NBA Draft 2020
With the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
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Re: NBA Draft 2020
Sure, if we’re going to turn around and trade them to Chicago for Markkanen. I’m happy to pick anyone Chicago wants for them.In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pm
With the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
I hope this is the year and we end up with Paul Reed.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pmOne of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
At 10?wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:57 pmI hope this is the year and we end up with Paul Reed.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pmOne of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
Re: NBA Draft 2020
I just feel that there are players that can fit the Suns better than Wiseman. I get he has a lot of appeal due to his athleticism and size, but I just feel Haliburton, Ball, and Hayes could all have a bigger impact on this team.In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pmWith the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
Poku is just too much of a gamble at 10. I feel there are too many players that have a higher probability to succeed ahead of him.
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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Since 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pmOne of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Kieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pmSince 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pmOne of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
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I'm not understanding the appeal of Riller.
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Re: NBA Draft 2020
I said something similar on Twitter and got roasted.
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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Honestly, I think he's vastly underrated. I would take Reed at 10 if I had to, but of course I'd rather trade back in the draft to get him and pick up assets along the way. But I do think he's a top 10 player in this draft.wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:57 pmI hope this is the year and we end up with Paul Reed.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pmOne of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Marshall and Clark were the bigger busts.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pmKieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pmSince 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pmOne of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
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Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
Cap wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pmKieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pmSince 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pmOne of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
At least they had the virtue of not being picked over Kawhi. And not being fucking assholes.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:04 pmMarshall and Clark were the bigger busts.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pmKieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:04 pmSince 2003, it has happened a few times (not very good results):Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:22 pmOne of these days, the Suns are actually going to take one of your guys! It's not like you haven't left them lots of choices.INF wrote:2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey
2018 - Elie Okobo
2014 - TJ Warren
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2011 - Markieff Morris
2009 - Earl Clark
2003 - Zarko Cabarkapa
Re: NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets
True. Clark was especially frustrating though with that adonis body and skills of grade schooler.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:25 pmAt least they had the virtue of not being picked over Kawhi. And not being fucking assholes.Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:04 pmMarshall and Clark were the bigger busts.Cap wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:10 pmKieff was your guy? I’m never listening to you again.
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
"Be Legendary."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
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Re: NBA Draft 2020
Riller is a good athlete and shooter that can create for himself and score at all 3 levels. Booker is freed up more with this type of player next to him. If the defense has to be aware of a shooter and scorer that can also drive to the basket, they can't load up on Booker all the time. His drives lead to help defense off of Devin, which frees him off ball.
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Re: NBA Draft 2020
You could be right. I like the development that the staff has done with Ayton and Saric tbh. I think they could do the same if not better with Wiseman or Poku over time. At which point, they become very high level players for the Suns or highly coveted by other teams. The length on the floor is appealing.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:53 pmI just feel that there are players that can fit the Suns better than Wiseman. I get he has a lot of appeal due to his athleticism and size, but I just feel Haliburton, Ball, and Hayes could all have a bigger impact on this team.In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pmWith the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
Poku is just too much of a gamble at 10. I feel there are too many players that have a higher probability to succeed ahead of him.
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
Re: NBA Draft 2020
Saric didn't need development though. The player he is here is the player he has been. He has always had a skillset that lends itself to playing next to a interior presence.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:40 amYou could be right. I like the development that the staff has done with Ayton and Saric tbh. I think they could do the same if not better with Wiseman or Poku over time. At which point, they become very high level players for the Suns or highly coveted by other teams. The length on the floor is appealing.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:53 pmI just feel that there are players that can fit the Suns better than Wiseman. I get he has a lot of appeal due to his athleticism and size, but I just feel Haliburton, Ball, and Hayes could all have a bigger impact on this team.In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pmWith the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
Poku is just too much of a gamble at 10. I feel there are too many players that have a higher probability to succeed ahead of him.
You can't say that about Wiseman.
Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
But he isn't a point guard. He is a scoring guard, and I don't see that meshing with 3 20 ppg scorers. Riller turns it over and is a limited passer. I think that is a bad fit with our Big 3 in the making.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:36 amRiller is a good athlete and shooter that can create for himself and score at all 3 levels. Booker is freed up more with this type of player next to him. If the defense has to be aware of a shooter and scorer that can also drive to the basket, they can't load up on Booker all the time. His drives lead to help defense off of Devin, which frees him off ball.
Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
Re: NBA Draft 2020
When I talked about development, I meant skill and body. Saric didn't need work on skill, but apparently he's worked a bunch on his body this past couple months and looked a bit more spry and quick. With the new performance center opening up in early September, this should get even better...I hope.INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:00 pmSaric didn't need development though. The player he is here is the player he has been. He has always had a skillset that lends itself to playing next to a interior presence.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:40 amYou could be right. I like the development that the staff has done with Ayton and Saric tbh. I think they could do the same if not better with Wiseman or Poku over time. At which point, they become very high level players for the Suns or highly coveted by other teams. The length on the floor is appealing.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:53 pmI just feel that there are players that can fit the Suns better than Wiseman. I get he has a lot of appeal due to his athleticism and size, but I just feel Haliburton, Ball, and Hayes could all have a bigger impact on this team.In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:46 pmWith the development(I admit this is premature and may not even happen when games count, but humor me) that there will be many jumbo lineups in the NBA next season in the Western conference, with the Lakers, Portland, Memphis, & Denver, do any of you think it might be something to think about when picking if Wiseman or Poku are available with the Suns pick?
Poku is just too much of a gamble at 10. I feel there are too many players that have a higher probability to succeed ahead of him.
You can't say that about Wiseman.
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
Re: NBA Draft 2020
He was a PG, not much a distributor, but he improved at that every year and I think there is a decent possibility that he keeps improving in that aspect. I guess I don't see him as becoming a high level starting PG, but probably a really good backup immediately and probably a bit better than that down the line, depending on how he adapts to being a pro.INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:02 pmBut he isn't a point guard. He is a scoring guard, and I don't see that meshing with 3 20 ppg scorers. Riller turns it over and is a limited passer. I think that is a bad fit with our Big 3 in the making.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:36 amRiller is a good athlete and shooter that can create for himself and score at all 3 levels. Booker is freed up more with this type of player next to him. If the defense has to be aware of a shooter and scorer that can also drive to the basket, they can't load up on Booker all the time. His drives lead to help defense off of Devin, which frees him off ball.
"When we all think alike, nobody is thinking" - Walter Lippmann
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass
"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." ~ Frederick Douglass