2020 Election Thread

[In2ition]

The votes are legitimate whether you like or not. Yes, I would advocate blood in the streets if a fair election was overturned. That’s not America. Thankfully, America came through in spite of the continuous bullshit claims. I feel pretty sad for so many duped Americans that lack critical thinking skills.

You clearly haven't looked at the claims from experts, witnesses and everyone willing to sign an affidavit subject to perjury. Sure, legitimate votes are legitimate, but not if they were changed or done outside the law. That's the issue. So maybe sit this one out if don't know what you're talking about, because you made it clear you don't.

You’re the one that should be sitting it out. You don’t know what you’re talking about. And I’ll leave it there. I’m not interested in arguing with your copious bullshit.

Yeah, you really proved you know something.

[Indy]

So you think the US AG is lying about the lack of evidence of voter fraud?

[In2ition]

So you think the US AG is lying about the lack of evidence of voter fraud?

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

[AmareIsGod]

So you think the US AG is lying about the lack of evidence of voter fraud?

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

Guiliani. The voice of truth and reason. I know he's the one guy who's word is gospel.

Wow, man. Are you serious right now?

[In2ition]

So you think the US AG is lying about the lack of evidence of voter fraud?

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

Guiliani. The voice of truth and reason. I know he's the one guy who's word is gospel.

Whatever. It's like a peanut gallery comment.

[Indy]

So you think the US AG is lying about the lack of evidence of voter fraud?

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

So Guiliani said that he has a lot of evidence, and didn't bother to turn it into the FBI or DOJ?

[In2ition]

So you think the US AG is lying about the lack of evidence of voter fraud?

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

So Guiliani said that he has a lot of evidence, and didn't bother to turn it into the FBI or DOJ?

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

[Indy]

So you think the US AG is lying about the lack of evidence of voter fraud?

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

So Guiliani said that he has a lot of evidence, and didn't bother to turn it into the FBI or DOJ?

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

[In2ition]

So you think the US AG is lying about the lack of evidence of voter fraud?

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

So Guiliani said that he has a lot of evidence, and didn't bother to turn it into the FBI or DOJ?

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

[AmareIsGod]

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

So Guiliani said that he has a lot of evidence, and didn't bother to turn it into the FBI or DOJ?

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

[Indy]

I'm not saying he's lying at all, but he also hasn't looked at any of the evidence that has been put into these suits. Giuliani confirmed that.

So Guiliani said that he has a lot of evidence, and didn't bother to turn it into the FBI or DOJ?

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

[In2ition]

So Guiliani said that he has a lot of evidence, and didn't bother to turn it into the FBI or DOJ?

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

No, I'm not but it won't stop you from thinking that.

[Cap]

So Guiliani said that he has a lot of evidence, and didn't bother to turn it into the FBI or DOJ?

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

It’s Twitter, FaceBook etc. that are protected by 230. The nuts posting this garbage aren’t protected by 230, but they’re generally protected by the First Amendment as long as they’re not making malicious accusations against anyone specific. As long as the conspirators are a vague “they,” you can post away.

[AmareIsGod]

They've offered, but they are MIA right now for whatever reason. Of course, they will send 27 agents to look at a pull down loop out of a NASCAR garage(You got to have your priorities). Occasionally, the FBI has reached out someone like Matt Braynard on what he's had and been given the info.

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

No, I'm not but it won't stop you from thinking that.

What led you down the rabbit hole of nonsense and conspiracy theory insanity? I mean, I know you've always been conservative but what got you hook line and sinker to buy into everything Trump and his base spewed your way? Is there an ounce of you that says "you know what. It's likely that when if there are some slip ups with the numbers here and there, likely similar to every election in modern history, Trump isn't overcoming this loss." Or so you really believe, deep down, Trump won the election and there is enough evidence (mind you that he, not anyone (Guiliani, etc) had actually presented) that you're actually aware of and have seen that will overturn the results?

You're throwing around baseless conjecture at this point with not an ounce of evidence or facts to present any of us, other than "Guiliani said" while making that appear to be some sort of marker of honesty and reality along with the fact that Guiliani has been saying without actually sharing any evidence that he has some sort of red flag.

How can 50+ cases be thrown out, up to now, with Texas being the supposed big win that the Supreme Court rejected without people doing their part to look at this evidence? You claim they aren't looking at it but I mean, what in the actual hell have you seen that, evidence wise, that has you convinced that everyone else in the courts seems to be ignoring?

[Nodack]

Veracity of statements by Donald Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_ ... nald_Trump
Donald Trump has made many false or misleading statements, including thousands during his presidency.[4] Commentators and fact-checkers have described this as "unprecedented" in American politics,[5][6][7][8] and the consistency of these falsehoods has become a distinctive part of both his business and political identity.[9] Trump is known to have made controversial statements and subsequently denied having done so,[10][11] and by June 2019, many news organizations had started describing some of his falsehoods as lies.[12] The Washington Post said his frequent repetition of false claims amounts to a campaign based on disinformation.[13] According to writer and journalist Nancy LeTourneau, the debasing of veracity is a tactic.[14] By September 3, 2020, The Washington Post's Fact Checker database had counted 22,510 false or misleading statements.[1]

"It has long been a truism that politicians lie," wrote Carole McGranahan for the American Ethnologist journal in 2017. However, "Donald Trump is different" from other politicians, stated McGranahan, citing that Trump is the most "accomplished and effective liar" thus far to have ever participated in American politics. McGranahan felt that "the frequency, degree, and impact of lying in politics are now unprecedented" as a result of Trump.[6]

Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley of Rice University stated that past U.S. presidents have indeed "lied or misled the country," but none of them were a "serial liar" like Trump.[15] Donnel Stern, writing in the Psychoanalytic Dialogues journal in 2019, declared: "We expect politicians to stretch the truth. But Trump is a whole different animal," because Trump "lies as a policy," and he "will say anything" to satisfy his supporters or himself.[16]

Heidi Taksdal Skjeseth, writing for the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism in 2017, described lies having "always been an integral part of politics and political communication". However, Trump was "delivering untruths on an unprecedented scale" in U.S. politics, both during his presidential campaign and during his presidency. Skjeseth also commented that no one in French politics was comparable to Trump in his provision of falsehoods.[17]

"Fabrications have long been a part of American politics," wrote Sheryl Gay Stolberg in The New York Times in 2017, as several presidents in the previous 50 years have lied. Stolberg cited that Dwight Eisenhower lied about a U.S. spy plane shot down over the Soviet Union, Lyndon Johnson lied to justify U.S. policies regarding Vietnam, and Bill Clinton lied to conceal his sexual affair. Meanwhile, Stolberg recounts that Richard Nixon was accused of lying in the Watergate scandal, while George W. Bush was accused of lying about the need for the Iraq War (with Donald Trump being one accuser of Bush lying). However, Stolberg states that "President Trump, historians and consultants in both political parties agree, appears to have taken what the writer Hannah Arendt once called 'the conflict between truth and politics' to an entirely new level ... Trump is trafficking in hyperbole, distortion and fabrication on practically a daily basis."[18]

Mark Barabak of the Los Angeles Times has described in 2017 that U.S. presidents "of all stripes" have previously misled the public, either accidentally or "very purposefully". Barabak provided examples of Ronald Reagan, who falsely stated that he had filmed Nazi death camps, and Barack Obama, who falsely stated that "if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it" under his Affordable Care Act. However, Barabak goes on to state that "White House scholars and other students of government agree there has never been a president like Donald Trump, whose volume of falsehoods, misstatements and serial exaggerations" is unparalleled.[19]

[3rdside]

And too much focus on self I guess ..

I would say it is the other way around. Not enough focus on self, like personal accountability. Or the efforts to improve one-self. We focus on people we see in movies or on social media or in sports. But not enough on ourselves.

Unless you mean self in the sense of personal wealth. We do value that above almost anything. We typically don't care about what a person did to become wealthy--once they are wealthy we treat them with more respect than someone that is not. It is crazy.

I meant more like prioritising self over state - like not wearing masks for example - though my point might be better made if I said, instead, too much focus on one’s own political party.

I just get this feeling that Americans are so individualistic - which has huge benefits - but that this is becoming toxic, like screw thy neighbour if it can benefit me rather than just love thy neighbour, or something like that.

[3rdside]

Great pod cast from Sam Harris on Trump and what he’s doing with the election - big d, in2 this dude is credible, just like Gary Kasparov and not like Rudy Giuliani or Sidney Powell, and I’d really recommend you listen to it for some perspective at least (wishful thinking I realise ..).

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/m ... 0497002386

[Nodack]

This guy is nuts. He blames everybody. FOX News was in on the scam he says. The Republican governors in the states Trump lost were in on it too he says. He says Trump easily won by 10 million votes. How does he know? They changed the algorithms.

THEY WERE IN ON IT!’ MyPillow Guy Accuses Fox News of Rigging Election Against Trump in Bonkers Rally Speech
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/they- ... ly-speech/

[Mori Chu]

Have they looked at the evidence? I thought nearly every case was rejected over procedure or standing or they don't want to decide on the size and scope of what's asked.

Most of the cases have been rejected for lack of evidence. They looked at everything Trump's lawyers gave them, and rejected the case on the merits.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... s-n1248289
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... 403abd0457

[AmareIsGod]

You really think the thousands of agents are just turning a blind eye to corruption of our votes?

I don't think 1000s of agents work independently. Idk why they are MIA.
You think that 1000s of mail in ballots without a crease/fold in batches, all for Biden only is legit?

I think you are looking for conspiracy where there is none. And probably relying on news sources that are protected by 230 instead of being liable for reporting inaccurate information.

No, I'm not but it won't stop you from thinking that.

What led you down the rabbit hole of nonsense and conspiracy theory insanity? I mean, I know you've always been conservative but what got you hook line and sinker to buy into everything Trump and his base spewed your way? Is there an ounce of you that says "you know what. It's likely that when if there are some slip ups with the numbers here and there, likely similar to every election in modern history, Trump isn't overcoming this loss." Or so you really believe, deep down, Trump won the election and there is enough evidence (mind you that he, not anyone (Guiliani, etc) had actually presented) that you're actually aware of and have seen that will overturn the results?

You're throwing around baseless conjecture at this point with not an ounce of evidence or facts to present any of us, other than "Guiliani said" while making that appear to be some sort of marker of honesty and reality along with the fact that Guiliani has been saying without actually sharing any evidence that he has some sort of red flag.

How can 50+ cases be thrown out, up to now, with Texas being the supposed big win that the Supreme Court rejected without people doing their part to look at this evidence? You claim they aren't looking at it but I mean, what in the actual hell have you seen that, evidence wise, that has you convinced that everyone else in the courts seems to be ignoring?

I had a bit too much whiskey last night so apologies for this incoherent wall of text. I'm just baffled by people that are pretty intelligent like In2ition somehow aligning themselves with such a racist, sexist and morally bankrupt POS human like Donald Trump. The fact so many Americans align with him is the biggest thing that keeps me up at night with worry.