lolCharlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 amGotta know when to hold them and know when to fold them
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He makes me think Tim Thomas honestly and I think we need to get rid of him at this point but still not a 100% but it may be because I was a Homer wanting him instead of Luca, Trae and Triple J.specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:04 amIt’s less than. 50:50. Name a player that FOUND a motor.
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Something Ryan really struggled with.Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 amGotta know when to hold them and know when to fold them
Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
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Joe Johnson really struggled with the wallflower thing. It wasn't until 2/3 into his 3rd year that he finally started trying to impose his will on the game.specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:04 amIt’s less than. 50:50. Name a player that FOUND a motor.
Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
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No call for a broken orbital will do that to you.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:27 amJoe Johnson really struggled with the wallflower thing. It wasn't until 2/3 into his 3rd year that he finally started trying to impose his will on the game.specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:04 amIt’s less than. 50:50. Name a player that FOUND a motor.
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That's the thing that makes it tough, right? He's shown flashes of what he can be. We just haven't had any consistency. He's got the Kandi man's motor. I agree with Saucy that the likelihood of that changing over time is slim.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:48 amIt's all a gamble. Ayton could wake up and all of a sudden become the guy we saw for the 4-game stretch this season and that 7(?)-game stretch last season. Or he could continue to be a wallflower, post decent stats, and be a low-motor role-playing big. It's probably 50/50 at this point.
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
"Be Legendary."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
"Be Legendary."
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Don't get me started on him and Bledsoe...INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:24 amSomething Ryan really struggled with.Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:54 amGotta know when to hold them and know when to fold them
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
"Be Legendary."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
"Be Legendary."
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Cool. That's one. Dennis Rodman? I'm not sure if he got more aggressive or just went to crazy town at his transition point.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:27 amJoe Johnson really struggled with the wallflower thing. It wasn't until 2/3 into his 3rd year that he finally started trying to impose his will on the game.specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:04 amIt’s less than. 50:50. Name a player that FOUND a motor.
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
"Be Legendary."
- Phoenix Suns 2023-2024 season motto.
"Be Legendary."
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JJ never half-assed it. He wasn’t polished but he gave great effort. Difference between being young and lazy.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:48 amCool. That's one. Dennis Rodman? I'm not sure if he got more aggressive or just went to crazy town at his transition point.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:27 amJoe Johnson really struggled with the wallflower thing. It wasn't until 2/3 into his 3rd year that he finally started trying to impose his will on the game.specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:04 amIt’s less than. 50:50. Name a player that FOUND a motor.
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Name a player that would frequently jog up and down the court obviously dogging it, then suddenly became a high motor guy.
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I think there are plenty of guys that do that. But it usually takes them washing out of the league and having to go to Europe for a while. PJ Tucker is one Suns example. Washed out at 21. Played 5 years bouncing around Europe, and came back to the league and is known for not taking plays off and punching above his playing weight.
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PJ wasn’t branded as a lazy player, he just wasn’t very good.Indy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:19 pmI think there are plenty of guys that do that. But it usually takes them washing out of the league and having to go to Europe for a while. PJ Tucker is one Suns example. Washed out at 21. Played 5 years bouncing around Europe, and came back to the league and is known for not taking plays off and punching above his playing weight.
Here is an excerpt from his scouting report at draft express:
Tucker is essentially the prototype for what most coaches look for in a player. He is fundamentally sound, tough as nails, and incredibly hard-working; always giving everything he has out on the floor, showing superb confidence in himself, but usually playing strictly up to his strengths. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/PJ-Tucker-578/ ©DraftExpress
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Sounds about right to me. He hasn't earned a big contract but it's still too early to give up on him.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:48 amIt's all a gamble. Ayton could wake up and all of a sudden become the guy we saw for the 4-game stretch this season and that 7(?)-game stretch last season. Or he could continue to be a wallflower, post decent stats, and be a low-motor role-playing big. It's probably 50/50 at this point.
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Do you think he will demand a big contract? I think that question should be part of the variable here.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:48 amSounds about right to me. He hasn't earned a big contract but it's still too early to give up on him.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:48 amIt's all a gamble. Ayton could wake up and all of a sudden become the guy we saw for the 4-game stretch this season and that 7(?)-game stretch last season. Or he could continue to be a wallflower, post decent stats, and be a low-motor role-playing big. It's probably 50/50 at this point.
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To me that is the biggest variable. I am not saying we should dump him. I am saying that if we know he will be demanding/pushing hard for a 25-30M/year extension, we should be looking at other options.BAMF wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:03 amDo you think he will demand a big contract? I think that question should be part of the variable here.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:48 amSounds about right to me. He hasn't earned a big contract but it's still too early to give up on him.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:48 amIt's all a gamble. Ayton could wake up and all of a sudden become the guy we saw for the 4-game stretch this season and that 7(?)-game stretch last season. Or he could continue to be a wallflower, post decent stats, and be a low-motor role-playing big. It's probably 50/50 at this point.
If he knows we are not willing to pay that, but he wants to be here and can work out something smaller, then I am all for continuing to work with him.
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Ya that’s a good point. And it’s becoming more and more obvious he’s not a max guy. He may want to stay and take a smaller deal. That opens up options.
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But James Jones needs to know at what price are you happy to lose him for nothing. That it the key on his end. And the problem of waiting until you are put in that position, is that you are willing to pay more than you want because you have to add the cost of losing him for nothing. That is why you need to be talking to his agent now.
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100% agree. For the record, signing him to an extension wouldn’t stop me from trying to trade him. He’d have more trade value if locked into a reasonable deal. But it does lessen the need to trade him. If he’s max or bust, we’ve got to move him before restricted free agency.Indy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:15 amBut James Jones needs to know at what price are you happy to lose him for nothing. That it the key on his end. And the problem of waiting until you are put in that position, is that you are willing to pay more than you want because you have to add the cost of losing him for nothing. That is why you need to be talking to his agent now.