Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
Ya there was a point near halftime when I saw Ayton only had 1 rebound. Not just his fault, but we gotta be better on the boards.
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
Block out!!!
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Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
From watching the body language of the players I think the Suns are told not to crash the boards on long 3s. The ball usually comes of a lot longer so being near the hoop on 3s might be a detriment. Ayton seems to be going the other way on missed 3s. Maybe I'm wrong on this.
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
All I know is that the Warriors had quite a few follow up dunks because we didn't block out.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:23 amFrom watching the body language of the players I think the Suns are told not to crash the boards on long 3s. The ball usually comes of a lot longer so being near the hoop on 3s might be a detriment. Ayton seems to be going the other way on missed 3s. Maybe I'm wrong on this.
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Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
Tough loss. It's humbling to lose to a Warriors team missing so many of their guys. Makes me feel like we just aren't where we need to be as a team. We're 100% going to have to go through these guys if we want a title, and even at basically full strength (minus our injured bigs) we couldn't stop them. The Warriors hustled and really bothered us on defense. We didn't feel comfortable and weren't getting good open looks.
Mostly everybody put up decent numbers. But Booker had a rough shooting night, 5-19 and only 1-5 on 3s despite playing 40 minutes. I got a little scared when he bonked his knee, but I guess it's okay, phew. We also just can't count on Shamet in big games; he gave us 4 points, the least of anybody who played in the game.
Disappointing that the Warriors seem to have this infinite depth, a platoon of young wings and guys who come in with great energy and hustle. Feels like we need 1-2 more guys like that at the end of our bench. Dunno if Coach had enough weapons in this game, which is messed up since we were the team that was supposedly close to full strength.
Mostly everybody put up decent numbers. But Booker had a rough shooting night, 5-19 and only 1-5 on 3s despite playing 40 minutes. I got a little scared when he bonked his knee, but I guess it's okay, phew. We also just can't count on Shamet in big games; he gave us 4 points, the least of anybody who played in the game.
Disappointing that the Warriors seem to have this infinite depth, a platoon of young wings and guys who come in with great energy and hustle. Feels like we need 1-2 more guys like that at the end of our bench. Dunno if Coach had enough weapons in this game, which is messed up since we were the team that was supposedly close to full strength.
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
I also want to extend a hale and hearty "F U" to the fans who show up at the Suns arena only to cheer for the Warriors. Booooooooo.
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
The Warriors were just better on this Christmas.
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
Good post. The larger question for me is whether that kind of team can beat us 4 times. I think our swings are more skilled, theirs more bouncy athletic and play with more energy. If/when they get Poole, Wiggins, Iguodala and Klay back, it's almost a different team altogether. I would like to see what a Frank or Dario could do in the Bjelica minutes. Maybe Nader gives us some energy to match Toscano-Anderson and Porter. GP2 seems to have that asshole/annoying PatBev type of game. Hopefully he's not a thorn in our side going forward.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:12 amTough loss. It's humbling to lose to a Warriors team missing so many of their guys. Makes me feel like we just aren't where we need to be as a team. We're 100% going to have to go through these guys if we want a title, and even at basically full strength (minus our injured bigs) we couldn't stop them. The Warriors hustled and really bothered us on defense. We didn't feel comfortable and weren't getting good open looks.
Mostly everybody put up decent numbers. But Booker had a rough shooting night, 5-19 and only 1-5 on 3s despite playing 40 minutes. I got a little scared when he bonked his knee, but I guess it's okay, phew. We also just can't count on Shamet in big games; he gave us 4 points, the least of anybody who played in the game.
Disappointing that the Warriors seem to have this infinite depth, a platoon of young wings and guys who come in with great energy and hustle. Feels like we need 1-2 more guys like that at the end of our bench. Dunno if Coach had enough weapons in this game, which is messed up since we were the team that was supposedly close to full strength.
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
I think we'll be ready next time. They just wanted it more this time.
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Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
From the half that I saw, we couldn’t deal with playoffs level ball pressure and the physicality. There were a couple of errant passes where I felt like our player was hurrying to get trill rid of the ball to complain to the refs about a no call. Gotta cut that stuff out. I also didn’t see our offense go inside to Ayton at all in the second half.
I might be imagining things but it felt like their replacement players were allowed to play more physically on D, maybe because GPII has that reputation, whereas our secondary guys get called for a lot of stuff. Maybe we need a better lobbying department.
I might be imagining things but it felt like their replacement players were allowed to play more physically on D, maybe because GPII has that reputation, whereas our secondary guys get called for a lot of stuff. Maybe we need a better lobbying department.
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
This is always a detriment, but especially against a team like Golden State, where that's our main weapon/advantage. They don't have the size to cover Ayton.
There is no legitimate reason that Booker should be 5-19 FG shooting and Ayton 8-10.
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Some of that is on Ayton. He still receives passes wide open 20-feet from the rim and doesn't even fake an attempt to score.
The Warriors are too smart for that. They know he's only looking to pass in those situations and it enables them to disrupt the Suns offense.
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Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
Otto Porter hit some tough shots. At the same time we do have a big man in Ayton to give the ball to in the post. I think he should have had more touches in the post.
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Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
It would help if he could get himself into the postUncle_Gene wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:26 amOtto Porter hit some tough shots. At the same time we do have a big man in Ayton to give the ball to in the post. I think he should have had more touches in the post.
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Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
A lot of it has to do with knowing what we're running. They don't make any concentrated effort for long stretches, like late in the Golden State game, of getting him involved and asking him to get position in the post.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:47 amIt would help if he could get himself into the postUncle_Gene wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:26 amOtto Porter hit some tough shots. At the same time we do have a big man in Ayton to give the ball to in the post. I think he should have had more touches in the post.
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Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
I don’t think we ever run post ups as a primary part of our offense. We go to it when teams switch and Ayton establishes good position. It’s not always easy to feed the post. Teams can cheat down and take away passing opportunities. If Ayton was more capable of taking the ball from the high post and making his way down into the post, we could utilize it more. But he’s really not shown that ability.
Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
I lose count every game of how many times he gets himself into great position in the paint, many times visibly wanting the ball, and his teammates refuse to go to him, usually jacking up a contested jumper or passing it out for a missed three instead. It probably happens over 5 times per game.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:47 amIt would help if he could get himself into the postUncle_Gene wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:26 amOtto Porter hit some tough shots. At the same time we do have a big man in Ayton to give the ball to in the post. I think he should have had more touches in the post.
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Re: Warriors (26-6) @ Suns (26-5), Xmas Day 2021
Sometimes the pass isn’t a clean look. It’s a high turnover risk trying to throw it to him.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:01 pmI lose count every game of how many times he gets himself into great position in the paint, many times visibly wanting the ball, and his teammates refuse to go to him, usually jacking up a contested jumper or passing it out for a missed three instead. It probably happens over 5 times per game.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:47 amIt would help if he could get himself into the postUncle_Gene wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:26 amOtto Porter hit some tough shots. At the same time we do have a big man in Ayton to give the ball to in the post. I think he should have had more touches in the post.