Around the League: Week 12 1/12-1/18

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carey wrote:No to trading Len for Love. I don't mind losing Bledsoe, but offense is not our problem and Love can't defend a paper bag. He does rebound though, which I think makes him an asset next to Len not in place of. I'd even consider moving Dragic in a package for Love, say Dragic and the Morris twins or something. But again we'd need assurance he'd sign here long term. No sense giving up any assets at all when we could make a play for him this Summer. It would be in lieu of signing Goran but it could be done.
the love for bledsoe trade doesnt require him to "give assurances". the only assurance he gave the suns last time was him telling them he will not resign if they trade for him.
but offense is not our problem
just because you run (which increases possessions... for both teams) doesnt mean the offense is efficient. and just because the opposing team get more scoring opportunities (which usually translates to more points for them) doesnt mean the suns defense is the problem.

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Indy wrote:Got it. So you are saying we should have never signed IT if we were keeping Bledsoe.
i would have never signed bledsoe if the suns already signed IT.

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The Love thing is moot. They're not trading Love unless LeBron tells them to and likes the pieces coming back, and Bledsoe and Len won't cut it. They'll fire Blatt and let Lue run the team before they break up their big 3.

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And from the Suns' perspective, trading away Len's promising career for three months of KLove is a proposal that deserves only mockery. This is a deal that neither team would consider. I guess it makes good click bait, though.
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Cap wrote:And from the Suns' perspective, trading away Len's promising career for three months of KLove is a proposal that deserves only mockery. This is a deal that neither team would consider. I guess it makes good click bait, though.
or more.

OTOH, you get rid of bleds contract and undo the logjam at pG #additionbysubtraction

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SDC wrote: for now, he is a promising tyson chandler type center.
Len has already shown more offensive potential than Chandler ever did or has.

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SDC wrote:
Cap wrote:And from the Suns' perspective, trading away Len's promising career for three months of KLove is a proposal that deserves only mockery. This is a deal that neither team would consider. I guess it makes good click bait, though.
or more.

OTOH, you get rid of bleds contract and undo the logjam at pG #additionbysubtraction
Also subtraction by subtraction at the defensive end. Replacing Len and Bledsoe with Love makes the Suns much worse defensively

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OKC is finishing off the W's right now. Don't really want them to get going.
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w00t! Only 10 games behind! 1 seed here we come!
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iLLmatic wrote:Something tells me that if Blanks were still here he would make that trade lol.
No he wouldn't. Blanks would be content to give a dumb contract extension to his beloved Morris Twins and let them hold down the forward spots. Thank goodness he's not around anymore...oh no wait...
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The Bobster wrote:

Cavaliers get: G Eric Bledsoe and C Alex Len
Phoenix Suns get: PF Kevin Love
See the trade

Why the Cavs would do it: James is as close to Bledsoe as any young player in the league, and they share an agent in Rich Paul. Plus, Bledsoe just happens to excel where the Cavs are weakest: defense. Bledsoe can guard 2s as well as point guards that Irving can't. Bledsoe is slowly shooting better from deep, and if the Cavs want to get younger and more athletic, this is the deal for them. At 7-foot-1, Len gives them a young giant who can take up space in the middle and provide depth for Mozgov and Thompson in case the latter doesn't agree to a deal this summer.

Why the Suns would do it: The Suns wanted Love this summer and now they have a logjam at point guard. This deal solves both issues. The tri-point guard lineup has actually been successful this season, but keeping all three players -- Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas and Bledsoe -- happy all season long might be too tall of a task. Dragic running pick-and-rolls in space with Love like he did with Channing Frye last season? That's a scary proposition. Plus, Len becomes a bit of a luxury now that Brandan Wright is in the fold. (WTF???)
I'm just curious...what were his other suggestions? That last setence about Len being a luxury makes me think he doesn't even know who he is.
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Coming into tonight's game, Hassan Whiteside has averaged over his last 5 games:

25 mpg
71% FG
13.8 ppg
11 rpg
3.8 bpg

Absolutely tremendous. Hopes he keeps it up.

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Did anyone see Russel Westbrook's post game treatment of reporters? Shameful. He didn't break any rules but I hope he gets suspended.
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Sunsfan4life wrote:I'm just curious...what were his other suggestions? That last setence about Len being a luxury makes me think he doesn't even know who he is.
Cavaliers get: PF Ryan Anderson and C Omer Asik
New Orleans Pelicans get: PF Kevin Love and C Tristan Thompson

Cavaliers get: PF Draymond Green and PF David Lee
Golden State Warriors get: PF Kevin Love

Cavaliers get: PF Serge Ibaka and C Kendrick Perkins
Thunder get: PF Kevin Love and C Tristan Thompson
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http://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/556307765288001536
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Cap wrote:http://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/556307765288001536
That is what I'm talking about. Just nasty.
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I've seen way worse. Every week in the NFL a player does worse. I'm not a big fan of Westbrook though and this just adds to my reasons to dislike him.
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AmareIsGod wrote:I've seen way worse. Every week in the NFL a player does worse. I'm not a big fan of Westbrook though and this just adds to my reasons to dislike him.
Him and Durant had monster games tonight. Yeah, it's kind of Marshawn Lynch like but worse because he's dripping with cynicism. He knows that he could get the guy fired, right? Its just weak imho. At least Markieff owned up to how he treated the media. These guys have a responsibility. Why be a jerk about it? It's not like they just got their buts handed to them by 30 or anything either.
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True. I'm not a fan of how he acted. There should be repercussions. We took issue with Markieff dodging the media. I think this is even worse.
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OE32 wrote:Kieff's been money down the stretch. Short chart, last 5 minutes, game within 2 points:

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He's also the only player on this team I'm comfortable letting go 1-on-1.

Love could pair with Dragic on the P&R, but neither of those two can play defense, and I doubt they can be your cornerstones, personally.
Speaking of clutchness, top scorers with one minute to go in the 4Q, up or down by four:

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