Around the NBA: Week 5 (11/17 - 11/23)

[Superbone]

[BKinSJC]

I agree, but I'm fearful the owner/FO is going to say "look how good we are now, imagine if we had..." and then trade Grayson for Kuminga.

Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.

If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.

Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.

[ShelC]

Kuminga has an ISO scoring game which doesn't mesh well with the movement offense the Warriors run with Steph. Guys like Podz, Moody and Post are younger players who have gotten time and developed under Kerr.

[TOO]

They shouldn't get any exception, it's their fault for not knowing how to utilize him properly.

[Split T]

Should work like life insurance…no one would’ve given injury exception insurance for Beal…few other guys like Zion and AD shouldn’t give you an exception either haha

[specialsauce]

I agree, but I'm fearful the owner/FO is going to say "look how good we are now, imagine if we had..." and then trade Grayson for Kuminga.

Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.

If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.

Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.

So which young player Kerr clashed with
Has gone on to be any good elsewhere?

[bajanguy008]

[BKinSJC]

I agree, but I'm fearful the owner/FO is going to say "look how good we are now, imagine if we had..." and then trade Grayson for Kuminga.

Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.

If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.

Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.

So which young player Kerr clashed with
Has gone on to be any good elsewhere?

During most of Kerr's career, the Warriors have been successful, which means that they haven't had that many high draft picks leading to players that were expected to provide big contributions. It's really just been Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody that they've drafted. Wiseman was obviously just a bad pick, who hasn't been able to play at the NBA level. Kuminga and Moody are both still in Golden State, so it's not really possible to know how they'd do in a different system.

As far as younger players that they traded for or signed - since the championship years, I'd say that Jordan Poole, Kelly Oubre Jr. and D'Angelo Russell are all younger players that didn't thrive under Kerr, and have gone on to individual (though not necessarily team) success elsewhere. During the championship years, Harrison Barnes was an important starter for a few years who was scapegoated for a playoff loss and let go when he was 23, and he's gone on to have a good long NBA career at a number of stops since then.

Bear in mind, all of this is a response to an assertion that "If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can." What's the evidence that Kerr would be the best guy to help a young player improve? Winning championships with overwhelming talent doesn't necessarily cross over with being great at player development.

[wpmiller42]

I hope everything is okay, but odd, or just unlucky, that he's missing those two games

[ShelC]

Yea I used to always have a family matter in college when I had a test I didn't study for. He's ducking two fanbases he knows are gonna boo his ass for both games. It's a thing stars have been doing for a few years now.

[Mori Chu]

Yea I used to always have a family matter in college when I had a test I didn't study for. He's ducking two fanbases he knows are gonna boo his ass for both games. It's a thing stars have been doing for a few years now.

I want to make fun of him for having a "family issue" right when he's about to face his two former teams. But I am holding back just in case there really is something tragic going on in his family.

I hope his family is okay, but either way, KD is a punk ass unbothered little bitch.

[Kryptonic]

I agree, but I'm fearful the owner/FO is going to say "look how good we are now, imagine if we had..." and then trade Grayson for Kuminga.

Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.

If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.

Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.

So which young player Kerr clashed with
Has gone on to be any good elsewhere?

pffft... I know a guy who "thinks" this was his case... lol

[The Bobster]

OKC is on a pace to go 77-5 this year.

[specialsauce]

Not advocating…. On the flip side, imagine what ott could do with kuminga if it did happen.

If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can. He started off the season pretty well, but his attitude has taken over and he's not doing so well as of late. I think it was a good pass on him.

Kerr's not notably great at dealing with young players, or at adapting to different ways of thinking and playing. I'm not saying Kuminga's not a headcase -- he might well be -- but he's still only been seen in one system, with one set of stars to orbit around, and with one coach with one particular philosophy of basketball. It might just all be a bad fit for his particular set of skills.

So which young player Kerr clashed with
Has gone on to be any good elsewhere?

During most of Kerr's career, the Warriors have been successful, which means that they haven't had that many high draft picks leading to players that were expected to provide big contributions. It's really just been Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody that they've drafted. Wiseman was obviously just a bad pick, who hasn't been able to play at the NBA level. Kuminga and Moody are both still in Golden State, so it's not really possible to know how they'd do in a different system.

As far as younger players that they traded for or signed - since the championship years, I'd say that Jordan Poole, Kelly Oubre Jr. and D'Angelo Russell are all younger players that didn't thrive under Kerr, and have gone on to individual (though not necessarily team) success elsewhere. During the championship years, Harrison Barnes was an important starter for a few years who was scapegoated for a playoff loss and let go when he was 23, and he's gone on to have a good long NBA career at a number of stops since then.

Bear in mind, all of this is a response to an assertion that "If Kerr can't get him on the right track, I'm not sure anybody can." What's the evidence that Kerr would be the best guy to help a young player improve? Winning championships with overwhelming talent doesn't necessarily cross over with being great at player development.

Uh, the players you named are ass elsewhere.

This was not a compelling argument

If your argument is

"Kerr doesn't like low IQ players that want to launch shots at a low efficiency at the expense of the team without offering any intangibles" then okay. Yes, Kerr likes players that are good, damn him

[pickle]

OKC is on a pace to go 77-5 this year.

Without JDub.

[Split T]

I think his argument is when has Kerr developed young players…yes most of the young guys that didn’t work out in Golden State also didn’t work out elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean Kerr is good with young talent. He’s good with good players and doesn’t seem all that interested in doing the development stuff…which I don’t blame him, he’s had a top 10 player of all time on his team the entire time he’s been the coach.

[Split T]

KD never ducked GS before. That doesn’t seem like him at all. I’m going to assume he has a family situation going on.

[Split T]

OKC is on a pace to go 77-5 this year.

They’ve figured out regular season basketball for sure. I think they probably win 70

[BKinSJC]

I think his argument is when has Kerr developed young players…yes most of the young guys that didn’t work out in Golden State also didn’t work out elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean Kerr is good with young talent. He’s good with good players and doesn’t seem all that interested in doing the development stuff…which I don’t blame him, he’s had a top 10 player of all time on his team the entire time he’s been the coach.

Thank you. I had written a lot more, and been more combative about it, but that's essentially the point. I don't think there's any evidence that Kerr has ever cared about developing young players. He has his favorites that he'll back no matter what, and he's very much been a win-now and win-only coach who doesn't seem to have much patience for letting young guys figure things out by playing through them during the season.

[Superbone]

Warriors have a rookie right now named Will Richard that's playing great for them and he was a deep 2nd rounder. He's even starting. Quinten Post is a second year player that's also playing very well for the Warriors.