PJ Tucker to the Raptors

[UglyTruth]

2 incredibly late 2nd rounders are worthless.

I can urinate in an empty bottle for you and that bottle would have the same value as the 2 second rd Raptors picks.

That is just silly.

No it's not. The Suns could just buy 2nd second picks if they really love some prospect in the 2nd round. Especially for a 2nd rd pick that late.

They could buy them? So they aren't free? Hmmm.

Hey,

If the selling teams are willing to accept a bottle of sour piss for their 2nd rounders, he still got a point.

2nd rounders are worthless. There's a reason why throughout NBA history, less 9% of 2nd round picks have become at least rotation players in the NBA.

[Ring_Wanted]

I just don't get the assertion that we can get more out of them if we tried. This is my point. We are not actually in the business, we are fans making speculations from our armchairs. Why are we getting so angry over something for which we definitely aren't getting the full picture on, which also didn't really hurt us? Was there some damage to this franchise, its reputation, or its players, that I'm not seeing?

I am far from angry, just analysing the move and the possible alternatives. If I can't do that because I am not more than a fan, thus an armchair GM, you are taking away a big part of what actually makes me a diehard Suns fan. Casuals don't ever get into these minutiae. If I was applauding the move, would that make me any less armchair? As for damage, I guess there is not a direct harm, but if you operate from the idea that you could have gotten more (and obviously I get that not everybody has to think the same), then this is a loss of opportunity and that's inherently bad. To what degree? Again, if you concede me the right to think by myself and say that a low 1stR could have been had, then you can quantify said harm in what goes from one low 1stR to two low 2ndRs. Enough to get angry? Certainly not, and I am not, but perhaps you are referring to others.

[Aztec Sunsfan]

That is just silly.

No it's not. The Suns could just buy 2nd second picks if they really love some prospect in the 2nd round. Especially for a 2nd rd pick that late.

They could buy them? So they aren't free? Hmmm.

Hey,

If the selling teams are willing to accept a bottle of sour piss for their 2nd rounders, he still got a point.

2nd rounders are worthless. There's a reason why throughout NBA history, less 9% of 2nd round picks have become at least rotation players in the NBA.

We could have unloaded Knight with those two picks, maybe not, but certainly not out of reality to pull it off.

But wait... do you understand, do you actually know, that those picks are worth much more than your piss? It''s important to know if we can get past that, or maybe we are missing on the part where you are a successful pissing entrepeneur (There's actually some business going on that stuff)

Make up your mind dude, you already said 1-2 million, and even if we are talking about a billionaire business, every penny counts against the balance check, companies lost market value because they fall short of projected income. This is no monopoly money, and even with toy business as NBA teams, there are at least bragging rights around how much your toy cost, and makes. You got trapped on one of your noisy hiperboles, just drop it and move on into your next "incendiary" statement. I'll leave it here. Have a nice day full of golden rain, go get those millions boy!!!

[pickle]

Yeah I'm not talking about you per se with the angry comment. I've been reading some posts on and off over the last few days to catch up on the trade hoopla and I've seen some, in my humble opinion, rather outlandish statements, such as we'll never sniff the playoffs in the McD era or that some pee in a bottle is worth more than the 2 second rounders we got. I get that fans are emotional. I am too. But let's try to stay rational with our analyses in the meantime.

For anyone thinking that 1-2 mil to Sarver is like 5 bucks to us, I hate doing this but I still remember us dumping 2 first rounders to move a perfectly product Kurt Thomas to Utah just so we don't pay about a million in luxury tax.

RW, I respect your opinion, but I don't think a low 1st rounder was there to be had. The new CBA and the stupid salaries handed out the past summer and are likely to be handed out this coming summer are making draft picks that much more valuable. I would say Ibaka is a good comparison to Tucker in terms of expiring contracts. If nobody was willing to give up more than Ross + 1 late 1st rounder for him, I really don't see why we could've gotten a first for Tucker. The one trade that puzzles me is the Washington one. A late first for Bogdanovic? WTF?

[pickle]

And I know that I'm being pedantic, but 9% is still >>> 0. Let's say we got 2 late seconds and the ratio is actually 5%, that's still 5%. It's not nothing.

//end rant

[The Bobster]

All 2nd-round draft choices -

Danny Ainge
Nate Archibald
Carlos Boozer
Cedric Ceballos
Maurice Cheeks
Clifford Robinson
Jeff Hornacek
John Drew
Alex English
Hal Greer
World B. Free
Calvin Murphy
DeAndre Jordan
Paul Millsap
Isaiah Thomas
Dennis Rodman
Marc Gasol
Manu Ginobili
Gilbert Arenas
Draymon Green
Gus Johnson
Luis Scola
Willis Reed
Monta Ellis
Michael Redd
Rashard Lewis
Dennis Johnson
Marcin Gortat
Kyle Korver
Gus Williams
Mark Price
Hassan Whiteside
Goran Dragic


and of course, P.J. Tucker

[UglyTruth]

All 2nd-round draft choices -

Danny Ainge
Nate Archibald
Carlos Boozer
Cedric Ceballos
Maurice Cheeks
Clifford Robinson
Jeff Hornacek
John Drew
Alex English
Hal Greer
World B. Free
Calvin Murphy
DeAndre Jordan
Paul Millsap
Isaiah Thomas
Dennis Rodman
Marc Gasol
Manu Ginobili
Gilbert Arenas
Draymon Green
Gus Johnson
Luis Scola
Willis Reed
Monta Ellis
Michael Redd
Rashard Lewis
Dennis Johnson
Marcin Gortat
Kyle Korver
Gus Williams
Mark Price
Hassan Whiteside
Goran Dragic


and of course, P.J. Tucker

The list of 2nd rd picks would amount to how much longer than that? 10 times that? 20 times that? Or more?

[UglyTruth]

No it's not. The Suns could just buy 2nd second picks if they really love some prospect in the 2nd round. Especially for a 2nd rd pick that late.

They could buy them? So they aren't free? Hmmm.

Hey,

If the selling teams are willing to accept a bottle of sour piss for their 2nd rounders, he still got a point.

2nd rounders are worthless. There's a reason why throughout NBA history, less 9% of 2nd round picks have become at least rotation players in the NBA.

We could have unloaded Knight with those two picks, maybe not, but certainly not out of reality to pull it off.

But wait... do you understand, do you actually know, that those picks are worth much more than your piss? It''s important to know if we can get past that, or maybe we are missing on the part where you are a successful pissing entrepeneur (There's actually some business going on that stuff)

Make up your mind dude, you already said 1-2 million, and even if we are talking about a billionaire business, every penny counts against the balance check, companies lost market value because they fall short of projected income. This is no monopoly money, and even with toy business as NBA teams, there are at least bragging rights around how much your toy cost, and makes. You got trapped on one of your noisy hiperboles, just drop it and move on into your next "incendiary" statement. I'll leave it here. Have a nice day full of golden rain, go get those millions boy!!!

Before you move on to your next "homer" statement, I want you to learn to spell hyperboles first.

[Indy]

Forget the 1st rd pick, how did McD at least not get Bruno or Bebe back?

I can't remember the last trade that McD actually won.

Dragic trade.

I don't think he won that trade; I think both teams like what they have. I do think he did a great job with that deal though.

I guess that is a fair point. Winning a trade would mean one said was clearly better than the other, or the other team would gladly undo that trade. I am not sure there is a single trade that falls into that bucket for him.

[Indy]

All 2nd-round draft choices -

Danny Ainge
Nate Archibald
Carlos Boozer
Cedric Ceballos
Maurice Cheeks
Clifford Robinson
Jeff Hornacek
John Drew
Alex English
Hal Greer
World B. Free
Calvin Murphy
DeAndre Jordan
Paul Millsap
Isaiah Thomas
Dennis Rodman
Marc Gasol
Manu Ginobili
Gilbert Arenas
Draymon Green
Gus Johnson
Luis Scola
Willis Reed
Monta Ellis
Michael Redd
Rashard Lewis
Dennis Johnson
Marcin Gortat
Kyle Korver
Gus Williams
Mark Price
Hassan Whiteside
Goran Dragic


and of course, P.J. Tucker

The list of 2nd rd picks would amount to how much longer than that? 10 times that? 20 times that? Or more?

Again, not zero.

[Aztec Sunsfan]

They could buy them? So they aren't free? Hmmm.

Hey,

If the selling teams are willing to accept a bottle of sour piss for their 2nd rounders, he still got a point.

2nd rounders are worthless. There's a reason why throughout NBA history, less 9% of 2nd round picks have become at least rotation players in the NBA.

We could have unloaded Knight with those two picks, maybe not, but certainly not out of reality to pull it off.

But wait... do you understand, do you actually know, that those picks are worth much more than your piss? It''s important to know if we can get past that, or maybe we are missing on the part where you are a successful pissing entrepeneur (There's actually some business going on that stuff)

Make up your mind dude, you already said 1-2 million, and even if we are talking about a billionaire business, every penny counts against the balance check, companies lost market value because they fall short of projected income. This is no monopoly money, and even with toy business as NBA teams, there are at least bragging rights around how much your toy cost, and makes. You got trapped on one of your noisy hiperboles, just drop it and move on into your next "incendiary" statement. I'll leave it here. Have a nice day full of golden rain, go get those millions boy!!!

Before you move on to your next "homer" statement, I want you to learn to spell hyperboles first.

Grammars, the last resource of those without arguments... I'll take it as a compliment dude.

Pd And thanks for the lesson, it is a never ending history polishing another language learning.