Yes, didn't realize she passed away. Might still be talking to Magic though.carey wrote:You mean the recently passed Ms. Cleo television fortune teller?In2ition wrote:Miss Chloe and Adam Silver assured Magic.Superbone wrote:Must be nice to be the Lakers. Magic has already assured Luke Walton that they're getting a top three pick:
I believe we've been doing that already. I don't want to jinx our chances. "Dis - cuss" hasn't been doing much for us lately.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Dis - cuss?
Don't mind me but a late addition to the above .... I forgot to mention how much hand size is important in all of this, kawhi has massssive hands. I'd say he gets at least 1 inch of extra wing span over guys his size because of them, in some (most?) cases probably an inch and a half.3rdside wrote:NBA Defensive Team Appearances:Split T wrote:Wingspan is definitely helpful, but it's not going to keep Jackson from being a good defender. Jackson isn't going to the combine, so we might not get any new measurements, but his pre college measurements were 6'8 with shoes and a 6'10 wingspan. Other comparable players:
Jimmy Butler 6'8/6'8
Gordon Hayward 6'8/6'8
Andre Iguodala 6'7/6'11
Paul George 6'9/6'11
Shane Battier 6'9/6'10
Joe Johnson 6'8/6'9
Most of those guys are really good defenders.
- Jimmy Butler - 2nd team x 3
- Gordon Hayward - N/A
- Andre Iguodala - 1st team x 1, 2nd team x 1
- Paul George - 1st team x 1, 2nd team x 2
- Shane Battier - 2nd team x 2
- Joe Johnson - N/A
So agreed on Jackson. Iguodala, on the basis of your measurements, probably qualifies as having excess wing span, leaving George as the only 1st teamer, so they're mainly very good, rather than great, defenders.
Looking at the DPOY list below, Joakim Noah is 6'11" and has a span of 7'1" so either the 'abnormal excess wing span over height' theory doesn't work, or there's extra parts to it:
1. The taller you get, the narrower your shoulders become i.e. there is a correlation between the two. Therefore as a taller player, you're likely to be in the paint where your priority is blocking and deterring shots and it's your standing reach that helps with this. Shoulder width has no impact on standing reach but it does on wing span. As such, it seems you can be an elite defender with only a moderate excess of wing span over height but it's very likely you're going to be a tall, paint player.
Paul George is a bit of an outlier.
2. As the players get shorter, the excess wing span over height becomes greater as you're now adding increased shoulder width on top of long arms. Therefore to be an elite, shorter, defender (Artest, Leonard, Pippen etc), the longer your wing span will be relative to guys your size as steals, defensive deflections and smothering become your priority, and wingspan - sideways reach - helps with this. This supports the theory.
Ben Wallace in the list below is just a sick beast.
2001–02 Ben Wallace 6'7" / 7'2"
2002–03 Ben Wallace
2003–04 Ron Artest 6'7" / 7'2"
2004–05 Ben Wallace
2005–06 Ben Wallace
2006–07 Marcus Camby 6'11 / 7'4"
2007–08 Kevin Garnett 6'11" / 7'4"
2008–09 Dwight Howard 6'11" / 7'4"
2009–10 Dwight Howard
2010–11 Dwight Howard
2011–12 Tyson Chandler 6'11" / 7'2"
2012–13 Marc Gasol 7'1" / 7'4"
2013–14 Joakim Noah 6'11" / 7'1"
2014–15 Kawhi Leonard - 6'7" / 7'3"
2015–16 Kawhi Leonard
History can only suggest that the odds are in the Suns favor this year when it comes to the NBA Draft Lottery. Entering their 50th season, the Suns have impressively only been eligible for the first overall pick 14 times. The Suns have moved up twice (1986, 1987) and fallen three times (1988, 1999, 2013), but have never received the number one selection.
The Suns currently hold the second best odds to landthe first overall pick. As this is their 15th chance, it’s about time the ping pong balls bounced their way.
Which means we have no chance.Superbone wrote:http://www.nba.com/suns/draft/phoenix-s ... ew_powered
Phoenix Suns History in the NBA Draft LotteryHistory can only suggest that the odds are in the Suns favor this year when it comes to the NBA Draft Lottery. Entering their 50th season, the Suns have impressively only been eligible for the first overall pick 14 times. The Suns have moved up twice (1986, 1987) and fallen three times (1988, 1999, 2013), but have never received the number one selection.
The Suns currently hold the second best odds to landthe first overall pick. As this is their 15th chance, it’s about time the ping pong balls bounced their way.
Aren't you supposed to be the positive one around here?Nodack wrote:Which means we have no chance.Superbone wrote:http://www.nba.com/suns/draft/phoenix-s ... ew_powered
Phoenix Suns History in the NBA Draft LotteryHistory can only suggest that the odds are in the Suns favor this year when it comes to the NBA Draft Lottery. Entering their 50th season, the Suns have impressively only been eligible for the first overall pick 14 times. The Suns have moved up twice (1986, 1987) and fallen three times (1988, 1999, 2013), but have never received the number one selection.
The Suns currently hold the second best odds to landthe first overall pick. As this is their 15th chance, it’s about time the ping pong balls bounced their way.
Yeah, that's the last one I cared this much about. We were all hoping ATL would drop to #4 so we would get the pick. Could have had Noah to run with Nash.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:My stomach is already tied in knots in anticipation of the lottery selection. Oh man. This could determine the next 5-10 years of our franchise right here. Trying to think of the last lottery that meant so much for us. Maybe the one where we lost out on Joakim Noah, even though we had a lower pick that year?
I'm with you, 4th or even 5th, just want to see for sure where they land along with everyone else.carey wrote:I'm resigned to picking 4th so I'm not even nervous.
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Reverse psychology?Indy wrote:Aren't you supposed to be the positive one around here?Nodack wrote:Which means we have no chance.Superbone wrote:http://www.nba.com/suns/draft/phoenix-s ... ew_powered
Phoenix Suns History in the NBA Draft LotteryHistory can only suggest that the odds are in the Suns favor this year when it comes to the NBA Draft Lottery. Entering their 50th season, the Suns have impressively only been eligible for the first overall pick 14 times. The Suns have moved up twice (1986, 1987) and fallen three times (1988, 1999, 2013), but have never received the number one selection.
The Suns currently hold the second best odds to landthe first overall pick. As this is their 15th chance, it’s about time the ping pong balls bounced their way.
