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Khaman's draft response still gets me... So cool.

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:33 am

Man this is such a great document for a Phoenix Suns fan (would kill to know what they were offered for #10). Let's pray it does not go down in History like the infamous video from the Kings when they selected Nick "big like Klay, shoots like Curry" Stauskas.

The move to get to #31 makes me proud, it's the kind of trade we typically post here but never happens in real life.

Help me decipher what this means said by GM Gregory regarding Koby Brea:

"two-way, opens it up for whatever we can get on the free agent market"

Seems pretty straightforward, leaves a roster spot open if they do something in free agency. Brea can move up and down .

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:09 pm

Seems pretty straightforward, leaves a roster spot open if they do something in free agency. Brea can move up and down .

OK, thanks. I thought he was saying he was a tradable asset for a free agent. (I mean, everybody is, but you know what I mean.) I'm glad they plan on keeping him. It would have been a weird thing to imply on the night they drafted him. That makes more sense.

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:26 pm

Giddey and Booker both had the same numbers as a PG 7apg and 3to per game. Rather try and see what Green can do with a good perimeter player than pay 30m for a guy that does the same thing Booker does.

Id prefer to see what Book can do as a purely scorer, without the burden of PG after the fact responsibilities,...

Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:26 pm

Giddey and Booker both had the same numbers as a PG 7apg and 3to per game. Rather try and see what Green can do with a good perimeter player than pay 30m for a guy that does the same thing Booker does.

Id prefer to see what Book can do as a purely scorer, without the burden of PG after the fact responsibilities,...

We've already seen that. If there was a PG that was better than Booker as a PG I'd get the shot, but I don't think Giddey is better than Booker as a PG. Id also consider a PG that would be a defensive upgrade which I don't see available either. Again in a vacuum I like Giddey, just not for where this team is. Booker seems to want to the ball in his hands, which is something fans seem to overlook, if he didn't want to be the PG, they'd go get one.

I'd love to sneak Jrue outta Portland to rotate with Booker and Green.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:03 pm

Help me decipher what this means said by GM Gregory regarding Koby Brea:

"two-way, opens it up for whatever we can get on the free agent market"

I thought that was the most interesting part of the video. I imagine they were debating between someone who’d only sign a rookie scale deal who they maybe liked a little more (I suspect Tyrese Proctor) vs someone they liked a little less who was willing to sign a 2-way.

There was a lot of buzz that Proctor’s agent was steering him to the Cavs because they needed a player at the rookie minimum and he turned out to be one of the few non-2-way guys taken after the first few picks of round 2.

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:05 pm

Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:26 pm

Giddey and Booker both had the same numbers as a PG 7apg and 3to per game. Rather try and see what Green can do with a good perimeter player than pay 30m for a guy that does the same thing Booker does.

Id prefer to see what Book can do as a purely scorer, without the burden of PG after the fact responsibilities,...

We've already seen that. If there was a PG that was better than Booker as a PG I'd get the shot, but I don't think Giddey is better than Booker as a PG. Id also consider a PG that would be a defensive upgrade which I don't see available either. Again in a vacuum I like Giddey, just not for where this team is. Booker seems to want to the ball in his hands, which is something fans seem to overlook, if he didn't want to be the PG, they'd go get one.

Giddey is a passer first and a shooter second. Idk how you are coming up with the Book comparison. They're not similar in any way other than the A:TO. You could then say Booker and Darius Garland are the same.

The point is, I don't want Booker playmaking so much that he is averaging 7 APG. We're not at our best when Book is distributing. I'd rather he average 28 ppg and let someone else set the team up.

Ott has a lot to figure out for the running of our offense especially if Book and Green are the starting two guards. It will be very interesting to see what he comes up with. I may be putting too much on the rookie head coach but I expect some inventive solutions.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:24 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:05 pm

Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:26 pm

Giddey and Booker both had the same numbers as a PG 7apg and 3to per game. Rather try and see what Green can do with a good perimeter player than pay 30m for a guy that does the same thing Booker does.

Id prefer to see what Book can do as a purely scorer, without the burden of PG after the fact responsibilities,...

We've already seen that. If there was a PG that was better than Booker as a PG I'd get the shot, but I don't think Giddey is better than Booker as a PG. Id also consider a PG that would be a defensive upgrade which I don't see available either. Again in a vacuum I like Giddey, just not for where this team is. Booker seems to want to the ball in his hands, which is something fans seem to overlook, if he didn't want to be the PG, they'd go get one.

Giddey is a passer first and a shooter second. Idk how you are coming up with the Book comparison. They're not similar in any way other than the A:TO. You could then say Booker and Darius Garland are the same.

The point is, I don't want Booker playmaking so much that he is averaging 7 APG. We're not at our best when Book is distributing. I'd rather he average 28 ppg and let someone else set the team up.

Maybe I'm just a simpleton but I felt the best version of Book and the Suns was when he didn't have to carry the PG roll. Sure, he's serviceable if in a pinch but not something I think we'd want to run if we wanted to strive towards success. I also think Giddy is young and still has potential for upside.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:24 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:05 pm

Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:26 pm

Giddey and Booker both had the same numbers as a PG 7apg and 3to per game. Rather try and see what Green can do with a good perimeter player than pay 30m for a guy that does the same thing Booker does.

Id prefer to see what Book can do as a purely scorer, without the burden of PG after the fact responsibilities,...

We've already seen that. If there was a PG that was better than Booker as a PG I'd get the shot, but I don't think Giddey is better than Booker as a PG. Id also consider a PG that would be a defensive upgrade which I don't see available either. Again in a vacuum I like Giddey, just not for where this team is. Booker seems to want to the ball in his hands, which is something fans seem to overlook, if he didn't want to be the PG, they'd go get one.

Giddey is a passer first and a shooter second. Idk how you are coming up with the Book comparison. They're not similar in any way other than the A:TO. You could then say Booker and Darius Garland are the same.

The point is, I don't want Booker playmaking so much that he is averaging 7 APG. We're not at our best when Book is distributing. I'd rather he average 28 ppg and let someone else set the team up.

He averages 26 as the PG, I don't see the upside. If the defense takesnBooker away and makes Giddey a shooter and that is a big downgrade. Also, Book still wants the ball in his hands, where does that put Giddey? You just stick him in the corner and hope his torrid second half last year was real? You're not gonna have him cut or catch and shoot off screens, he's not a plus defender to make up for that. I totally understand the idea of a PG with Booker, I just don't see Giddey being good enough in the other areas to take the ball outta Bookers hands. Especially at what he's gonna cost making the Suns hard capped. No room for upgrades just to have a massive question mark at PG isn't something that interests me.

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 5:09 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:24 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:05 pm

Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:26 pm

Giddey and Booker both had the same numbers as a PG 7apg and 3to per game. Rather try and see what Green can do with a good perimeter player than pay 30m for a guy that does the same thing Booker does.

Id prefer to see what Book can do as a purely scorer, without the burden of PG after the fact responsibilities,...

We've already seen that. If there was a PG that was better than Booker as a PG I'd get the shot, but I don't think Giddey is better than Booker as a PG. Id also consider a PG that would be a defensive upgrade which I don't see available either. Again in a vacuum I like Giddey, just not for where this team is. Booker seems to want to the ball in his hands, which is something fans seem to overlook, if he didn't want to be the PG, they'd go get one.

Giddey is a passer first and a shooter second. Idk how you are coming up with the Book comparison. They're not similar in any way other than the A:TO. You could then say Booker and Darius Garland are the same.

The point is, I don't want Booker playmaking so much that he is averaging 7 APG. We're not at our best when Book is distributing. I'd rather he average 28 ppg and let someone else set the team up.

He averages 26 as the PG, I don't see the upside. If the defense takesnBooker away and makes Giddey a shooter and that is a big downgrade. Also, Book still wants the ball in his hands, where does that put Giddey? You just stick him in the corner and hope his torrid second half last year was real? You're not gonna have him cut or catch and shoot off screens, he's not a plus defender to make up for that. I totally understand the idea of a PG with Booker, I just don't see Giddey being good enough in the other areas to take the ball outta Bookers hands. Especially at what he's gonna cost making the Suns hard capped. No room for upgrades just to have a massive question mark at PG isn't something that interests me.

Don't you think we'd be setting up another coach to fail if we're allowing players to dictate what they want to do on the team? If this is Ott's plan, cool... but I just don't think we'd be fair to Ott if we did that.

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 5:09 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:24 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:05 pm

Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:26 pm

Giddey and Booker both had the same numbers as a PG 7apg and 3to per game. Rather try and see what Green can do with a good perimeter player than pay 30m for a guy that does the same thing Booker does.

Id prefer to see what Book can do as a purely scorer, without the burden of PG after the fact responsibilities,...

We've already seen that. If there was a PG that was better than Booker as a PG I'd get the shot, but I don't think Giddey is better than Booker as a PG. Id also consider a PG that would be a defensive upgrade which I don't see available either. Again in a vacuum I like Giddey, just not for where this team is. Booker seems to want to the ball in his hands, which is something fans seem to overlook, if he didn't want to be the PG, they'd go get one.

Giddey is a passer first and a shooter second. Idk how you are coming up with the Book comparison. They're not similar in any way other than the A:TO. You could then say Booker and Darius Garland are the same.

The point is, I don't want Booker playmaking so much that he is averaging 7 APG. We're not at our best when Book is distributing. I'd rather he average 28 ppg and let someone else set the team up.

He averages 26 as the PG, I don't see the upside. If the defense takesnBooker away and makes Giddey a shooter and that is a big downgrade. Also, Book still wants the ball in his hands, where does that put Giddey? You just stick him in the corner and hope his torrid second half last year was real? You're not gonna have him cut or catch and shoot off screens, he's not a plus defender to make up for that. I totally understand the idea of a PG with Booker, I just don't see Giddey being good enough in the other areas to take the ball outta Bookers hands. Especially at what he's gonna cost making the Suns hard capped. No room for upgrades just to have a massive question mark at PG isn't something that interests me.

I guess I'll disagree. If they try to take Book away, Green is on the other side. I think it's a good way to make a Book/Green back court effective- by pairing them with a big, rebounding PG who makes up for the lack of size otherwise while not forcing this Point Book offense that has failed for two years in a row. I absolutely hate Booker at PG. he stands and lets himself get blitzed and trapped and he may stack up assists but it slows our offense to a complete crawl.

He looked his best aside CP3 where he could be a secondary ball handler and still maintain his usage rate. I don't know how you watch the last two seasons and feel that Point Book is a pretty or reliable offense. And Tyus Jones walking the ball up every possession and handing it to him doesn't count, we still went heavy Point Book.

I don't think Point Book was the problem with KD, the lack of any offensive imagination from the coaches and then KD being a black hole grenade passer on offense killed him. Yes he can get blitzed, but the coach is supposed to come up with a plan to help that, needless to say Bud and Vogel didn't anything of the sort.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:24 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:05 pm

Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:26 pm

Giddey and Booker both had the same numbers as a PG 7apg and 3to per game. Rather try and see what Green can do with a good perimeter player than pay 30m for a guy that does the same thing Booker does.

Id prefer to see what Book can do as a purely scorer, without the burden of PG after the fact responsibilities,...

We've already seen that. If there was a PG that was better than Booker as a PG I'd get the shot, but I don't think Giddey is better than Booker as a PG. Id also consider a PG that would be a defensive upgrade which I don't see available either. Again in a vacuum I like Giddey, just not for where this team is. Booker seems to want to the ball in his hands, which is something fans seem to overlook, if he didn't want to be the PG, they'd go get one.

Giddey is a passer first and a shooter second. Idk how you are coming up with the Book comparison. They're not similar in any way other than the A:TO. You could then say Booker and Darius Garland are the same.

The point is, I don't want Booker playmaking so much that he is averaging 7 APG. We're not at our best when Book is distributing. I'd rather he average 28 ppg and let someone else set the team up.

What Sauce said!!! AMen!!!

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 22, 2025 5:57 pm

I don't think Point Book was the problem with KD, the lack of any offensive imagination from the coaches and then KD being a black hole grenade passer on offense killed him. Yes he can get blitzed, but the coach is supposed to come up with a plan to help that, needless to say Bud and Vogel didn't anything of the sort.

So you think it is more likely that three coaching staffs (Monty, Vogel, Bud) were the problem than Point Book being a stagnant, predictable, unreliable offense that got Book his stats but at the detriment of the team and didn't allow him to thrive in his natural role as a scorer?

Did you see Monty's career without Paul? He's garbage, And I think the last 2 speak for themselves. Look I'm not saying Booker is elite as a PG in any sense, but neither is Giddey, and I don't think Giddey offers an substantial upgrade at what he would cost versus his drawbacks. I would like to see what the coach that led the Cavs offense with 2 combo guards can do with Booker and Green. And I really just don't wanna hard cap the team just because, doesn't make sense to me.

Also I'd like to point out that Giddey is pass first because aside from the post break last year, dude can't shoot.