Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:01 pm
Especially considering that the same amount of “money off the books” could have happened this summer if we simply didn’t pick up the option on Micic.
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Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:05 pm
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:09 pm
I would have no problem with the deal on paper, especially if we hadn’t drafted a center, if we gave up only one first. However, the injury history for this particular center and the fact that we likely won’t keep him beyond one season, is very concerning.Split T wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:59 pm2/3 of it…. Also I thought you liked defense and rebounding…that’s what we just added.JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:52 pmSo we’ve really just wasted our unprotected 2031 pick on this trade…you’re not helping me feel any better.
I think it’s weird we double dipped…shades of drafting Chriss and Bender, but I think the moves make sense individually.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:17 pm
I don’t believe that report for a second…no way we traded 2 1sts for a rental. And there’s just no way Charlotte does that for pick 29 only. I agree it does seem a bit steep…wish we could’ve done it for 3 2nds, but it’s likely not a good pick.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:23 pm
I believe Windhorst that we don’t want to extend him, with his injury history and having just drafted a center.
Perhaps we can trade him at the deadline to the Lakers for a first.
Perhaps we can trade him at the deadline to the Lakers for a first.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:23 pm
The only person in the way of Oso getting minutes to develop is Oso.3TheHardaway wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:29 pmHe seems like he’d only get in the way of Oso and Khaman getting minutes to develop.Uncle_Gene wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:29 pmI believe Nick Richards is staying. Suns need as much size as possible.
I like this trade.
If he doesn't develop a perimeter shot at his size shortcomings, he won't play any meaningful role in the NBA. He's too small to play a consistent 5 man. He has to play at the 4 and that requires him to have an outside shot.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:22 pm
Yeah, don’t believe the Mark Williams is just the rental stuff. I know Windy is doesn’t make shit up but trading 2 1st for a rental is craziness. Considering we were making the trade before even knowing we were getting Maluach, tells me we expect to keep him for multiple years. Also if we were gonna use a two 1st rounder for rental then we should’ve just used it to get rid of Beal’s lazy ass.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:30 pm
Everyone knew the Suns needed at least two, if not three, front court contributors going into the draft.
Why overthink it?
Why overthink it?
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:37 pm
https://nbarankings.theringer.com/the-o ... k-williams
The Suns needed a big, but the Williams Trade 2.0 creates more problems than it solves.
I don’t want to come off sounding too hyperbolic about a draft-night trade by a team that isn’t finished making moves, but the Phoenix Suns are officially the most embarrassing franchise in the NBA. Around the same time they selected Duke center Khaman Maluach with the 10th pick in Wednesday’s draft, it was reported by ESPN’s Shams Charania that Phoenix had also just traded two first-round picks to the Charlotte Hornets for 23-year-old big man Mark Williams. Phoenix already has a couple of centers on its roster. Nick Richards (another former Hornets center) is 27 years old and on an expiring $5 million contract; Oso Ighodaro, whom Phoenix acquired in a draft-night trade one year ago, spent his rookie season in and out of Mike Budenholzer’s rotation.
Yes, the Suns couldn’t protect the rim or create second-chance opportunities on the offensive glass last year—two areas that have to improve if they plan on playing any two of Jalen Green, Bradley Beal, and Devin Booker at the same time. But this was such a negligent way to address the issue. Trading two first-round picks for Williams and then drafting someone who, in all likelihood, won’t be able to share the floor with him is the opposite of savvy. The situation gets even worse when you realize that the 2029 first-round pick they’re shipping to Charlotte is the only tradable first-round pick Phoenix had to offer. The moment they gained a little flexibility, the Suns squandered it, all for a center whose medical history was so questionable that the Los Angeles Lakers failed his physical exam and rescinded a deal they made with the Hornets before February’s trade deadline.
Even if Phoenix envisions a world where Maluach and Williams are someday able to share the floor and follow the growing trend of dynamic, towering tandems sprouting up around the league, there will be serious growing pains on both ends. On offense, neither can shoot. On defense, both are more valuable around the paint. It’s fundamentally such a poor allocation of resources and a highly questionable way to build a team that’s nowhere close to being relevant. If you know any Suns fans, be kind to them. —Michael Pina
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:44 pm
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Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:20 am
This.Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:37 pmhttps://nbarankings.theringer.com/the-o ... k-williams
The Suns needed a big, but the Williams Trade 2.0 creates more problems than it solves.
I don’t want to come off sounding too hyperbolic about a draft-night trade by a team that isn’t finished making moves, but the Phoenix Suns are officially the most embarrassing franchise in the NBA. Around the same time they selected Duke center Khaman Maluach with the 10th pick in Wednesday’s draft, it was reported by ESPN’s Shams Charania that Phoenix had also just traded two first-round picks to the Charlotte Hornets for 23-year-old big man Mark Williams. Phoenix already has a couple of centers on its roster. Nick Richards (another former Hornets center) is 27 years old and on an expiring $5 million contract; Oso Ighodaro, whom Phoenix acquired in a draft-night trade one year ago, spent his rookie season in and out of Mike Budenholzer’s rotation.
Yes, the Suns couldn’t protect the rim or create second-chance opportunities on the offensive glass last year—two areas that have to improve if they plan on playing any two of Jalen Green, Bradley Beal, and Devin Booker at the same time. But this was such a negligent way to address the issue. Trading two first-round picks for Williams and then drafting someone who, in all likelihood, won’t be able to share the floor with him is the opposite of savvy. The situation gets even worse when you realize that the 2029 first-round pick they’re shipping to Charlotte is the only tradable first-round pick Phoenix had to offer. The moment they gained a little flexibility, the Suns squandered it, all for a center whose medical history was so questionable that the Los Angeles Lakers failed his physical exam and rescinded a deal they made with the Hornets before February’s trade deadline.
Even if Phoenix envisions a world where Maluach and Williams are someday able to share the floor and follow the growing trend of dynamic, towering tandems sprouting up around the league, there will be serious growing pains on both ends. On offense, neither can shoot. On defense, both are more valuable around the paint. It’s fundamentally such a poor allocation of resources and a highly questionable way to build a team that’s nowhere close to being relevant. If you know any Suns fans, be kind to them. —Michael Pina
Thank you, Mr. Pina. I almost thought I was going crazy.
It’s wild how all of the local Suns media have just become mouthpieces for the org.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:46 am
That’s a pretty terrible analysis by Michael Peña but everyone is allowed an opinion.
There are a lot of recent events that are worthy of criticism. I think we’ve reached the saturation point and some of these people are reacting on instinct that every move is terrible in a vacuum. Unless it’s trading Devin Booker and tanking, of course.
There are a lot of recent events that are worthy of criticism. I think we’ve reached the saturation point and some of these people are reacting on instinct that every move is terrible in a vacuum. Unless it’s trading Devin Booker and tanking, of course.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:26 am
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:27 am
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:39 am
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:18 am
"Front court contributors" isn't the same as bringing in two centers that you probably can't play together.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:30 pmEveryone knew the Suns needed at least two, if not three, front court contributors going into the draft.
Why overthink it?
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:23 am
That's an obtuse take. The Suns have very few assets, that's why what they gave up matters. And to be dismissive or minimize Williams's injury history is foolish.
I like Williams; he is a tremendous talent. But let's not Nico Harris this and act like injury history doesn't matter or shouldn't factor into roster-building.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:46 am
They will definitely try to play them together.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:18 am"Front court contributors" isn't the same as bringing in two centers that you probably can't play together.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:30 pmEveryone knew the Suns needed at least two, if not three, front court contributors going into the draft.
Why overthink it?
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:48 am
So we're trading for an injury prone center coming up on an extension that we're going to have to make a decision on? If he plays 75 games and gives us 14-12-3 in 30mpg, did he turn a corner and break out or is he a contract year player looking for $100+mil so he can go back to playing 40 games a year? If we do believe in him and give him an extension and he is healthy and contributing, then we wasted our 10th pick on a backup. Do we think the FO did its due diligence on his health concerns or are we waiving any physical just to complete the trade?
If he is just a 1yr rental and placeholder while Maluach develops, why not just keep Richards in place and let him and Maluach split playing time. Why throw away the 2 picks.
I don't think it's great when there are way more questions than answers surrounding this. We don't know their plans, so I guess we can give the FO the benefit of the doubt (not that they've earned it). I just think they got caught off guard with Maluach being there at 10 after the Williams trade was agreed to.
If he is just a 1yr rental and placeholder while Maluach develops, why not just keep Richards in place and let him and Maluach split playing time. Why throw away the 2 picks.
I don't think it's great when there are way more questions than answers surrounding this. We don't know their plans, so I guess we can give the FO the benefit of the doubt (not that they've earned it). I just think they got caught off guard with Maluach being there at 10 after the Williams trade was agreed to.
Re: Suns trade for Mark Williams
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:55 am
Mark Williams was available for only 2 late first round picks because of his injury risk. Sure, that's not a risk some teams would make because they don't need to.
The Suns had the worst Center rotation in the league for the better part of a year before today.
The Suns had the worst Center rotation in the league for the better part of a year before today.