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Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 6:30 pm
by ShelC
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:51 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:21 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:18 pm
I'm still good keeping one of them because they're both solid pros, good at what they do and are on good contacts. We just don't need both.
Allen has proven to be a sieve on defense. Unfortunately, he has to go.
Ship em both out neither is worth their contract over a much cheaper alternative
It's about having another pro/vet on the team and in the lockerroom who can help maintain a standard of practice and play. I don't think both need to be part of some firesale. They are redundant so move one, but even keeping the other until the deadline or next summer could get us a better return.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 6:32 pm
by specialsauce
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 6:30 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:51 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:21 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:18 pm
I'm still good keeping one of them because they're both solid pros, good at what they do and are on good contacts. We just don't need both.
Allen has proven to be a sieve on defense. Unfortunately, he has to go.
Ship em both out neither is worth their contract over a much cheaper alternative
It's about having another pro/vet on the team and in the lockerroom who can help maintain a standard of practice and play. I don't think both need to be part of some firesale. They are redundant so move one, but even keeping the other until the deadline or next summer could get us a better return.
Sure I agree with that sentiment of having vets set the tone, but I don't think what you're saying is what describes Royce O Neal or Grayson Allen. I think they're the ones that need vets to wake them the fuck up
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:05 pm
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:21 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:18 pm
I'm still good keeping one of them because they're both solid pros, good at what they do and are on good contacts. We just don't need both.
Allen has proven to be a sieve on defense. Unfortunately, he has to go.
We’ll get what for him then? Maybe a couple second rounders? Once Micic and Martin have their team options declined that will make the entire net return for Deandre Ayton
and Toumani Camara:
A couple second rounders.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:20 pm
by Superbone
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 5:17 pm
There should be interest in Allen, considering how much emphasis there is on three-pointers now. O'Neale probably won't bring back much in return.
Others who probably won't be back - Tyus Jones, Bol Bol, Cody Martin, Monte Morris and Damion Lee. They probably want to upgrade Mason Plumlee's spot too. Nick Richards seems to be a keeper as a backup and Collin Gillespie, Oso Ighodalo and Ryan Dunn seem pretty safe. Devin Booker seems to be untouchable.
Then you get down to the real questions - Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal.
I'd keep Cody Martin if possible. He's the kind of player Ishbia says we're looking for.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:21 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:05 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:21 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:18 pm
I'm still good keeping one of them because they're both solid pros, good at what they do and are on good contacts. We just don't need both.
Allen has proven to be a sieve on defense. Unfortunately, he has to go.
We’ll get what for him then? Maybe a couple second rounders? Once Micic and Martin have their team options declined that will make the entire net return for Deandre Ayton
and Toumani Camara:
A couple second rounders.
Everbody here agrees that giving up Camara was a mistake.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:43 pm
by Mori Chu
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:05 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:21 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:18 pm
I'm still good keeping one of them because they're both solid pros, good at what they do and are on good contacts. We just don't need both.
Allen has proven to be a sieve on defense. Unfortunately, he has to go.
We’ll get what for him then? Maybe a couple second rounders? Once Micic and Martin have their team options declined that will make the entire net return for Deandre Ayton
and Toumani Camara:
A couple second rounders.
We lost the Ayton trade, but your description here is not accurate. You say all we will have gotten for Ayton and Camara is "a couple second rounders." You're omitting Nick Richards, who we got for Nurkic, who in turn was actually a pretty helpful player for us last year, even though he was bad this season. And you're omitting whatever the return would be for Grayson Allen. What if Allen gets us a 1st round pick, or a promising young player? You have to list that as part of the return for Ayton + Camara. Again, we lost the trade; I accept your broader point. I just think you're being misleading about what we got as "net return" for Ayton + Camara.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 9:30 am
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:43 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:05 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:21 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:18 pm
I'm still good keeping one of them because they're both solid pros, good at what they do and are on good contacts. We just don't need both.
Allen has proven to be a sieve on defense. Unfortunately, he has to go.
We’ll get what for him then? Maybe a couple second rounders? Once Micic and Martin have their team options declined that will make the entire net return for Deandre Ayton
and Toumani Camara:
A couple second rounders.
We lost the Ayton trade, but your description here is not accurate. You say all we will have gotten for Ayton and Camara is "a couple second rounders." You're omitting Nick Richards, who we got for Nurkic, who in turn was actually a pretty helpful player for us last year, even though he was bad this season. And you're omitting whatever the return would be for Grayson Allen. What if Allen gets us a 1st round pick, or a promising young player? You have to list that as part of the return for Ayton + Camara. Again, we lost the trade; I accept your broader point. I just think you're being misleading about what we got as "net return" for Ayton + Camara.
That’s where the second rounders came from. I said what will we get for Allen, maybe a couple second rounders?
But you’re confused about the two Hornets trades. We traded Okogie for Richards. We traded Nurkic for Micic and Martin.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 10:01 am
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:21 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 7:05 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:21 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:18 pm
I'm still good keeping one of them because they're both solid pros, good at what they do and are on good contacts. We just don't need both.
Allen has proven to be a sieve on defense. Unfortunately, he has to go.
We’ll get what for him then? Maybe a couple second rounders? Once Micic and Martin have their team options declined that will make the entire net return for Deandre Ayton
and Toumani Camara:
A couple second rounders.
Everbody here agrees that giving up Camara was a mistake.
Even if we had not given up Camara, a couple second rounders would still be a terrible return.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:10 am
by Split T
We might be getting the Valley jerseys back…
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:43 am
by TOO
Split T wrote: ↑Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:10 am
We might be getting the Valley jerseys back…
Best thing this team has done the last 10 seasons