Suns News: Week 25 4/11-4/17

[Indy]

I'm confident that he will pick good players in the draft but I'm still unsure about his inability to build a good team.

And that's what it all boils down to. Three seasons and Ryan has just shown that he is completely inept at building a team.

People look at the trades he has made in isolation, in vacuums.

We celebrate being able to actually move Marcus Morris for anything and move Markieff Morris for a lotto pick, ignoring that we essentially flushed two years down the toilet and endured a lot of team/organization discord for these clowns. That matters. That is significant.

That last paragraph is exactly what I'm talking about. Some are celebrating that after suffering though two years of misery that we did to our selves, we got more than nothing for it. Yay.

[pickle]

This is going to be a long summer.

I want Sam Hinkie.

[Indy]

This is going to be a long summer.

I want Sam Hinkie.

I'm doubting it matters who we have under the current ownership structure.

[djy2j]

HIs ineptness would fit right in with our current regime.

[OE32]

It's starting to look like the hangover of the last two seasons will prevent many fans from being very excited about the two lotto picks we bring in this year. I guess it'll take a few years for people to recover.

[Ring_Wanted]

Hardly a surprise, since these last two seasons have turned the Phoenix Suns into one of the most dysfunctional franchises in the association, and people is losing patience with the people at the helm. From bottom to top you have a number of issues that a chest of draft picks and cap space is not goint to mitigate in the mind of so many.

Fungible players like Bledsoe, Knight, Kieff, etc have been made the main pieces, without deserving it since they are fundamentally flawed and it puts a cap on the team's ceiling, while providing a dumb and ugly brand of basketball.

Drafting kids only does so much because they are not getting the typical rebuilding treatment, it is, playing time by default and plenty of room to make mistakes, since they have to fight the aforementioned vets.

Hearing quotes that smell like selfishness (Knight) or uncalled for stubborness (McD, Watson on the guard rotation) only adds fuel to the fire.

The fact that the '16 draft is supposed to be weak doesn't help improving fandom morale.

The GM is defensible in terms of asset management but has missed big time on some areas, especially miscalculating egos, chemistry and intangibles. His general strategy of cap hold+cap space has not resulted into a better product and he has taken two shots at it already. People don't like wasting whole seasons because of said miscalculations. And it sounds like he will try another time.

Then there is the always looming problem of the owner, who either is still meddling, mandating instant gratification or generally making decisions that spell distrust to fans that have been fooled too many times before. People get wary of things like the prospect of keeping Earl Watson, because they think they main reason is it is cheap, instead of opening the wallet for a proven, top notch HC. Assuming one wanted to come here, of course.

[Indy]

It's starting to look like the hangover of the last two seasons will prevent many fans from being very excited about the two lotto picks we bring in this year. I guess it'll take a few years for people to recover.

Why should most fans be convinced the FO will make the right decisions this off-season?

I think most people who follow the team will admit that we have a history under Sarver of making bad decision when it comes to the FO (GMs, VPs on the Bball Ops side, coaches, etc.). Those bad decisions led to bad player decisions. It is unwise to think that repeating the same method will lead to a different outcome.

I won't rehash the trades under the current regime, but look at the draft. We largely give McD points for his drafts, but they aren't anything special.

2013: He took the first center in the draft, and there is an argument to be made that 7 out of the 8 next Cs are all better than Len, or at least as good as he is. I am not one for giving up on Len, but there were certainly better players on the board at that position, some much better.

2014: Taking TJ at 14 seems good... then Ennis at 18. WTF.

2015: Still really early, but I don't think you can find anything wrong with Booker at 13 (despite it being a consensus pick).

And we haven't been that great in the 4-7 range. The only players we have grabbed there over the past 20 years--Loul Deng (woops) & Len. In the 12-14 range: Booker, Keef, TJ, Kendall Marshal, & Earl Clark.

Sure, maybe we can get really, really lucky and select a Booker level player at 12-14, or maybe we get Earl Clark. You can keep saying "lotto" pick all you want, but I don't hear a lot of teams saying they would be willing to give up some of their current talent for another #13 pick in this year's draft.

[Indy]

Ring just said what I wanted to say, but much better. And not in his native language. I am going to go sulk now.

[LazarusLong]

The Suns have morphed into the early '90s version of the Cardinals, laughably bad in the front office and on the field (court), coached by a succession of assistant coaches and neophytes who don't mind the low pay and incompetent front office meddling.

The franchise is a punchline to a sad joke...

[Indy]

The franchise is a punchline to a sad joke...

But we have two, count them TWO, lotto picks this year!

[LazarusLong]

The franchise is a punchline to a sad joke...

But we have two, count them TWO, lotto picks this year!

It's like giving two hookers to a 90-yr old nursing home resident who's had advanced ED for about 30 years and can't even remember what a hard-on feels like ...

[Indy]

The franchise is a punchline to a sad joke...

But we have two, count them TWO, lotto picks this year!

It's like giving two hookers to a 90-yr old nursing home resident who's had advanced ED for about 30 years and can't even remember what a hard-on feels like ...

How could you possible say that the current FO is impotent...

[Indy]

By the way, that was hilarious.

[LazarusLong]

Laughter is the best medicine for the current state of affairs.

[Indy]

Laughter is the best medicine for the current state of affairs.

I thought it was a good highland single malt scotch. At least it is for me.

[Sunsfan4life]

The franchise is a punchline to a sad joke...

But we have two, count them TWO, lotto picks this year!

I'm actually pretty excited for the draft lotto. This is a year, IMO, where there is a clear drop of from 1-2 to 3 so I think there really is something big on the line.

So more than likely we will land 3.

[Indy]

The franchise is a punchline to a sad joke...

But we have two, count them TWO, lotto picks this year!

I'm actually pretty excited for the draft lotto. This is a year, IMO, where there is a clear drop of from 1-2 to 3 so I think there really is something big on the line.

So more than likely we will land 3.

That's it. Be positive.

[Ring_Wanted]

Laughter is the best medicine for the current state of affairs.

I thought it was a good highland single malt scotch. At least it is for me.

Wise man. Never tried one from the highlands myself. Closest would be the typical Famous Grouse.

[pickle]

The more I read this thread, the more I want to post "I agree" and then realize that I'm so depressed that I don't even have energy for that.

I want Sam Hinkie and Brett Brown. I know that a lot of people think Hinkie is an idiot. I think he's better than what we have.

[Indy]

The more I read this thread, the more I want to post "I agree" and then realize that I'm so depressed that I don't even have energy for that.

I want Sam Hinkie and Brett Brown. I know that a lot of people think Hinkie is an idiot. I think he's better than what we have.

I agr...