Starter vs. Non-starter isn't really relevant. Thabo Sefolasha was a starter for OKC for years as they contender; after him it was Andre Roberson. None of those guys were special, but they were solid role players. Bridges should improve as a 3&D guy, but I don't think he ever surpasses being a good role player. But even as "just a good role player," he can become an important piece on a winning team.
Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
I like all of them now. Warren has been out but he was playing out of his mind before getting hurt and now seems to be forggotten. I haven’t forgotten. Josh has been a lot more consistent and less out of control. Oubre has been a lot better than I expected. Bridges has played well and consistently all year. I am ok with all four of those guys now. We need a PG and a PF and they all can’t stay. I am willing to trade any of those guys if it brings us a real PG or PF. On that note Bender has been a huge disappointment and got zero playing time. He has been forced into the lineup lately and has played pretty good imo. I have moderate hopes for him now based on his play in the past month. We still need another real PF but, I would be willng to keep Bender another year to see if he blossoms.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
I never catch INF when he's in a posting mood
Kindly expand on this Low Ceiling thing with some player comps if you have some in mind. Just a solid role player , 3 and D guy ?
So in your mind we will be lucky if Mikal turns into who ?
Kindly expand on this Low Ceiling thing with some player comps if you have some in mind. Just a solid role player , 3 and D guy ?
So in your mind we will be lucky if Mikal turns into who ?
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
A smaller, better shooting Andrei Kirilenko (in his good years).bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:45 pmSo in your mind we will be lucky if Mikal turns into who ?
I think what is more realistic is a slightly better Danny Green/Shane Battier.
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Ok fair enoughINFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:52 pmA smaller, better shooting Andrei Kirilenko (in his good years).bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:45 pmSo in your mind we will be lucky if Mikal turns into who ?
I think what is more realistic is a slightly better Danny Green/Shane Battier.
I was trying to remember young Battier but struggling with that as I just seeing both guys as very good 3 n D guys/ glue guys/ crucial part of winning teams and so on. I've been making the point for a little while that I feel Mikal is going to be more than a spot up guy , just a hunch that he will be effective off the bounce so AK47 is quite a interesting player to consider because he made heady plays when going to the basket either for himself or others in his good years as you said
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
AK47 would be a really fun player nowadays
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Give me a break man! We could put a literal turd in a Suns jersey and you’d find a way to like it.Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:28 pmDude! You’ve got crazy tunnel vision when it comes to JJ. He wasn’t that bad and he didn’t cost us the game. That’s a pretty ridiculous take.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:25 pmThey lost this game because of Josh jackson taking over the fourth quarter. In a bad way. Booker disappeared and stopped going to Ayton all together as usual.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019 ... sh-jackson
Jackson statistically and by the eye test is one of the worst players in the league.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Mikal is going to be a staple and fan favorite for years to come. He'll also be a coaches favorite who does everything to impact the game.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
If Oubre's 3-point shooting were better, he would be far and away the best of the SFs in the group. As it is, he's probably still the best one, but it's closer than it should be. I still don't understand why we won't try lineups with Josh Jackson as our PG. Something like this would be super interesting IMO:
PG - J. Jackson
SG - Booker
SF - Oubre
PF - Bender
C - Ayton
You could also go with Bridges at SF and Oubre as an undersized PF.
PG - J. Jackson
SG - Booker
SF - Oubre
PF - Bender
C - Ayton
You could also go with Bridges at SF and Oubre as an undersized PF.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Haven't we seen enough guys who are NOT point guards playing point guard this year?Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:25 pmIf Oubre's 3-point shooting were better, he would be far and away the best of the SFs in the group. As it is, he's probably still the best one, but it's closer than it should be. I still don't understand why we won't try lineups with Josh Jackson as our PG. Something like this would be super interesting IMO:
PG - J. Jackson
SG - Booker
SF - Oubre
PF - Bender
C - Ayton
You could also go with Bridges at SF and Oubre as an undersized PF.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
ahahahahah leave Superbone alone!specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:59 pmGive me a break man! We could put a literal turd in a Suns jersey and you’d find a way to like it.Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:28 pmDude! You’ve got crazy tunnel vision when it comes to JJ. He wasn’t that bad and he didn’t cost us the game. That’s a pretty ridiculous take.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:25 pmThey lost this game because of Josh jackson taking over the fourth quarter. In a bad way. Booker disappeared and stopped going to Ayton all together as usual.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019 ... sh-jackson
Jackson statistically and by the eye test is one of the worst players in the league.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
but but but he blocks a shot occasionallyspecialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:59 pmGive me a break man! We could put a literal turd in a Suns jersey and you’d find a way to like it.Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:28 pmDude! You’ve got crazy tunnel vision when it comes to JJ. He wasn’t that bad and he didn’t cost us the game. That’s a pretty ridiculous take.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:25 pmThey lost this game because of Josh jackson taking over the fourth quarter. In a bad way. Booker disappeared and stopped going to Ayton all together as usual.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019 ... sh-jackson
Jackson statistically and by the eye test is one of the worst players in the league.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
And has a lot of fire and has the guts to hit game winners. Bad time to pick on him, guys. He's just going to continue to get better and you'll be sorry after he's gone. You guys have no vision. But it's tough seeing through those turd colored glasses.iLLmatic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 ambut but but he blocks a shot occasionallyspecialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:59 pmGive me a break man! We could put a literal turd in a Suns jersey and you’d find a way to like it.Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:28 pmDude! You’ve got crazy tunnel vision when it comes to JJ. He wasn’t that bad and he didn’t cost us the game. That’s a pretty ridiculous take.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:25 pmThey lost this game because of Josh jackson taking over the fourth quarter. In a bad way. Booker disappeared and stopped going to Ayton all together as usual.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019 ... sh-jackson
Jackson statistically and by the eye test is one of the worst players in the league.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
LOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:16 amAnd has a lot of fire and has the guts to hit game winners. Bad time to pick on him, guys. He's just going to continue to get better and you'll be sorry after he's gone. You guys have no vision. But it's tough seeing through those turd colored glasses.iLLmatic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 ambut but but he blocks a shot occasionallyspecialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:59 pmGive me a break man! We could put a literal turd in a Suns jersey and you’d find a way to like it.Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:28 pmDude! You’ve got crazy tunnel vision when it comes to JJ. He wasn’t that bad and he didn’t cost us the game. That’s a pretty ridiculous take.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:25 pmThey lost this game because of Josh jackson taking over the fourth quarter. In a bad way. Booker disappeared and stopped going to Ayton all together as usual.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019 ... sh-jackson
Jackson statistically and by the eye test is one of the worst players in the league.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
I'd have less issue with TJ if this was new or unique to him, missing a chunk of games this season. Feels like deja Vu. For all the good he brings, he's still a black hole on offense and the worst of our SF when it comes to defense. Plus, for as great of a scorer as he is, what good does that do a team when he's on the bench in street clothes all the time?Nodack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:39 pmI like all of them now. Warren has been out but he was playing out of his mind before getting hurt and now seems to be forggotten. I haven’t forgotten. Josh has been a lot more consistent and less out of control. Oubre has been a lot better than I expected. Bridges has played well and consistently all year. I am ok with all four of those guys now. We need a PG and a PF and they all can’t stay. I am willing to trade any of those guys if it brings us a real PG or PF. On that note Bender has been a huge disappointment and got zero playing time. He has been forced into the lineup lately and has played pretty good imo. I have moderate hopes for him now based on his play in the past month. We still need another real PF but, I would be willng to keep Bender another year to see if he blossoms.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Andrei Kirilenko with a better shot is at the level of a Shawn Marion or even better -- technically a role player, but one so good as to be considered a star. Indeed, you're looking at someone who will make multiple all-star games. This isn't much of a ceiling IMHO.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:52 pmA smaller, better shooting Andrei Kirilenko (in his good years).bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:45 pmSo in your mind we will be lucky if Mikal turns into who ?
I think what is more realistic is a slightly better Danny Green/Shane Battier.
A better Shane Battier is another story altogether. Bridges is pretty much at a Battier level right now -- at least, stats-wise.
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Seems to happen every year, doesn't it.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:06 amI'd have less issue with TJ if this was new or unique to him, missing a chunk of games this season. Feels like deja Vu. For all the good he brings, he's still a black hole on offense and the worst of our SF when it comes to defense. Plus, for as great of a scorer as he is, what good does that do a team when he's on the bench in street clothes all the time?Nodack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:39 pmI like all of them now. Warren has been out but he was playing out of his mind before getting hurt and now seems to be forggotten. I haven’t forgotten. Josh has been a lot more consistent and less out of control. Oubre has been a lot better than I expected. Bridges has played well and consistently all year. I am ok with all four of those guys now. We need a PG and a PF and they all can’t stay. I am willing to trade any of those guys if it brings us a real PG or PF. On that note Bender has been a huge disappointment and got zero playing time. He has been forced into the lineup lately and has played pretty good imo. I have moderate hopes for him now based on his play in the past month. We still need another real PF but, I would be willng to keep Bender another year to see if he blossoms.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Multiple times a year.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:17 amSeems to happen every year, doesn't it.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:06 amI'd have less issue with TJ if this was new or unique to him, missing a chunk of games this season. Feels like deja Vu. For all the good he brings, he's still a black hole on offense and the worst of our SF when it comes to defense. Plus, for as great of a scorer as he is, what good does that do a team when he's on the bench in street clothes all the time?Nodack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:39 pmI like all of them now. Warren has been out but he was playing out of his mind before getting hurt and now seems to be forggotten. I haven’t forgotten. Josh has been a lot more consistent and less out of control. Oubre has been a lot better than I expected. Bridges has played well and consistently all year. I am ok with all four of those guys now. We need a PG and a PF and they all can’t stay. I am willing to trade any of those guys if it brings us a real PG or PF. On that note Bender has been a huge disappointment and got zero playing time. He has been forced into the lineup lately and has played pretty good imo. I have moderate hopes for him now based on his play in the past month. We still need another real PF but, I would be willng to keep Bender another year to see if he blossoms.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
I really like TJ Warren and was sticking up for him when folks were bagging on him earlier this season. He has been one of our most reliable scorers. But I have to say, he's now been out for an extended period, and it doesn't seem to have set us back at all. If anything we play better having more balanced SFs out there like Oubre and Bridges. I think I've come around to the opinion that TJ is easily replaceable and that we should find a way to flip him for a more important asset like a PG or PF or whatever.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Dude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 amLOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:16 amAnd has a lot of fire and has the guts to hit game winners. Bad time to pick on him, guys. He's just going to continue to get better and you'll be sorry after he's gone. You guys have no vision. But it's tough seeing through those turd colored glasses.iLLmatic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 ambut but but he blocks a shot occasionallyspecialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:59 pmGive me a break man! We could put a literal turd in a Suns jersey and you’d find a way to like it.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019 ... sh-jackson
Jackson statistically and by the eye test is one of the worst players in the league.
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