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The Bobster wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:19 pm
I don't want to hear a peep out of Booker about wanting out during this contract. He knew full well how bad Sarver is and how bad the team is and he could have waited another year for his contract extension in order for them to have more cap space to find him more help, but he didn't.

And if you accept the big contract extension (like Davis did in New Orleans) I think you have an obligation to honor it.
Unpopular opinion but he's apart of this mess. It's not like Booker's perfect and everyone else on the team sucks. This team needs to grow up.

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I'll never blame a player for taking a 150mil contract. If you're making 50K at a job you hate with a bad boss but he offers you 200K a year to stay, you gonna leave?

Also, if the owner/FO offers a player a contract and then trades him, where's their obligation to keeping him? Blake was pissed when he signed his deal thinking he'd retire a Clipper and he was traded months later. It's not a one-way street.

And Booker has his flaws, but he's an elite talent and a top young player in the league. Those don't grow on trees. It's the FO's job to build a winner around a guy like that, despite any flaws.

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Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:31 am
I'll never blame a player for taking a 150mil contract. If you're making 50K at a job you hate with a bad boss but he offers you 200K a year to stay, you gonna leave?

Also, if the owner/FO offers a player a contract and then trades him, where's their obligation to keeping him? Blake was pissed when he signed his deal thinking he'd retire a Clipper and he was traded months later. It's not a one-way street.

And Booker has his flaws, but he's an elite talent and a top young player in the league. Those don't grow on trees. It's the FO's job to build a winner around a guy like that, despite any flaws.
I'd stay and STFU.

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ShelC wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:31 am
I'll never blame a player for taking a 150mil contract. If you're making 50K at a job you hate with a bad boss but he offers you 200K a year to stay, you gonna leave?

Also, if the owner/FO offers a player a contract and then trades him, where's their obligation to keeping him? Blake was pissed when he signed his deal thinking he'd retire a Clipper and he was traded months later. It's not a one-way street.

And Booker has his flaws, but he's an elite talent and a top young player in the league. Those don't grow on trees. It's the FO's job to build a winner around a guy like that, despite any flaws.
Sports is a very specific business. Athletes make money because people are entertained, and at least for me, the main source of entertainment comes from two teams competing to win. Teams doing what is in their best interest encourages that. Players doing what's best for them does not (forming super-teams, everyone going to big markets).

I guess this is part of what makes the NBA much more lucrative compared to other basketball leagues. I think in most other leagues players cannot be traded without their consent. But they willingly go to the NBA, because the compensation is that much better (and, consequently, competition).

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I thought it was weird that Jackson said that Ayton had 30 points in that game. If that made a difference in your thought process, how do you feel if he only scored 9 points?
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In2ition wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:13 am
I thought it was weird that Jackson said that Ayton had 30 points in that game. If that made a difference in your thought process, how do you feel if he only scored 9 points?
He was just flat out wrong. He must have had him confused with Gobert who had 27. I don't have a problem with Booker going for 60 in a meaningless game with a greatly reduced roster due to injury. He had it going so ride the hot hand and have some fun with it. What I didn't like is that it was a 16 point game going into the 4th quarter and then they stopped caring about playing basketball on both sides of the court and made it all about Booker. And then the weird Jimmer side show where I just felt bad for the guy. The crowd is cheering for him and he's jacking up shot after shot and missing them all. It kind of reminded me of Majerle's retirement game where he was jacking 3s and missing a ton.
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Superbone wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:11 am
In2ition wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:13 am
I thought it was weird that Jackson said that Ayton had 30 points in that game. If that made a difference in your thought process, how do you feel if he only scored 9 points?
He was just flat out wrong. He must have had him confused with Gobert who had 27. I don't have a problem with Booker going for 60 in a meaningless game with a greatly reduced roster due to injury. He had it going so ride the hot hand and have some fun with it. What I didn't like is that it was a 16 point game going into the 4th quarter and then they stopped caring about playing basketball on both sides of the court and made it all about Booker. And then the weird Jimmer side show where I just felt bad for the guy. The crowd is cheering for him and he's jacking up shot after shot and missing them all. It kind of reminded me of Majerle's retirement game where he was jacking 3s and missing a ton.
Agreed. They just ran out of gas in the 4th, especially with Holmes getting thrown out.
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I am watching Amare right now playing in the Basketball Champions League with Jerusalem. He looks great, but still hasn’t learned how to box out. Still pretty aggressive on the offensive boards tough. Just had a nice putback basket. I am sure he would be better than a lot of bigs in today’s NBA period.

Very interesting prospect on Jerusalem is Tamir Blatt, son of former NBA Coach David Blatt. A 6.3 pass first point guard born in 1997. Has great court vision.

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gosuns wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:49 am
I am watching Amare right now playing in the Basketball Champions League with Jerusalem. He looks great, but still hasn’t learned how to box out. Still pretty aggressive on the offensive boards tough. Just had a nice putback basket. I am sure he would be better than a lot of bigs in today’s NBA period.
I think Jimmer is exhibit A of why you can't always trust the level of play in these other overseas leagues. The NBA is on such another level in terms of defense and talent. Amare is still a very talented big man I'm sure, but I bet he can't keep up with today's NBA. His knees are probably too shot for him to stay on the court, and his lack of defense, rebounding, and 3-point shooting would be a big problem.

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Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:51 pm
gosuns wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:49 am
I am watching Amare right now playing in the Basketball Champions League with Jerusalem. He looks great, but still hasn’t learned how to box out. Still pretty aggressive on the offensive boards tough. Just had a nice putback basket. I am sure he would be better than a lot of bigs in today’s NBA period.
I think Jimmer is exhibit A of why you can't always trust the level of play in these other overseas leagues. The NBA is on such another level in terms of defense and talent. Amare is still a very talented big man I'm sure, but I bet he can't keep up with today's NBA. His knees are probably too shot for him to stay on the court, and his lack of defense, rebounding, and 3-point shooting would be a big problem.
I wasn’t suggesting we get Amare back, i was just enjoying watching him play, he loves the game of basketball. Amare is no Jimmer. Jimmer was bad before he went to China. China is to Europe what Europe is to the NBA. China is two steps below the NBA. I am talking about the competition Doncic was ballin against last year.

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It is a damn shame and disappointment that when given the chance a few years back, Suns management did absolutely nothing to allow Amare and the fans a retirement tour / one year contract. He should have retired a Sun, and the fans would have had something fun to watch for a change.

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Phoenix219 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:23 pm
It is a damn shame and disappointment that when given the chance a few years back, Suns management did absolutely nothing to allow Amare and the fans a retirement tour / one year contract. He should have retired a Sun, and the fans would have had something fun to watch for a change.

Or maybe it's just better that we let him go when he got a $100 million contract for a couple of good years before his body broke down.
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The Bobster wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:03 pm
Phoenix219 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:23 pm
It is a damn shame and disappointment that when given the chance a few years back, Suns management did absolutely nothing to allow Amare and the fans a retirement tour / one year contract. He should have retired a Sun, and the fans would have had something fun to watch for a change.

Or maybe it's just better that we let him go when he got a $100 million contract for a couple of good years before his body broke down.
I think he's talking about signing him after that on a veteran minimum one-year deal as a career appreciation sort of thing.
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The Bobster wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:03 pm
Phoenix219 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:23 pm
It is a damn shame and disappointment that when given the chance a few years back, Suns management did absolutely nothing to allow Amare and the fans a retirement tour / one year contract. He should have retired a Sun, and the fans would have had something fun to watch for a change.

Or maybe it's just better that we let him go when he got a $100 million contract for a couple of good years before his body broke down.
And after that, we could have had him on a one year retirement contract for mutual benefit. Would have been one bit of fanservice during a prolonged dark period.

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you cant, when you have the ballhog taking all the shots.

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SDC wrote:
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you cant, when you have the ballhog taking all the shots.
That's awfully rich coming from the guy who's put his bare ass out for Jimmer Fredette.
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what does jimmer have anything to do with the current suns situation? nada.

he didnt even play tonight.

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1. Jimmer is a homeless man's Booker.

2. You just recently said that you'd love to see Jimmer go for 50 in the Washington game. How'd you ever expect him to do that without being a ballhog?
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