NBA FA 2020 & Suns FA targets

[jonh]

And it's not even two days old but I'll rehash it anyway:

To me, I think this is in line with my perception of Rubios worth to the team, but maybe even more than that, it highlights just how incredibly inept our backup pg position was (outside of the bubble). While I was really impressed with both Payne and Carter's play in the bubble, I think the position we really should target in the draft is pg.

[Indy]

Rubio is what makes Monty's system work like it does

I don't see it that way. Monty's .5 system calls for essentially every player on the court to be a part of facilitating the offense. This isn't a system where one guy dominates the ball and everyone is dependent on him. Each player makes plays for other. We saw it from Ayton, Saric, Cam, Mikal, and of course, Booker.

Rubio contributed to the success as well, don't get me wrong. And I think you need a capable passer at the point. I just wouldn't go as far as to say Rubio "makes the system work."

This. Rubio was 7th on the team in Usage %. He was good for our team this year. But any average starting PG in the league could do that for us, and give us the flexibility to add pieces to our team that we are missing. We have no depth.

[Ring_Wanted]

I woildn't try to fix what has proven to be not broken. Trading Rubio or Oubre is not something I'd actively pursue. We need a starter PF and another guard. We habe a high pick and around 20M in cap space. Finding a way to draft Haliburton or Toppin is my fist goal. Then I spend on Millsap/Woods/Ibaka or FVV, depending on what I did in the draft.

[specialsauce]

Rubio is what makes Monty's system work like it does

I don't see it that way. Monty's .5 system calls for essentially every player on the court to be a part of facilitating the offense. This isn't a system where one guy dominates the ball and everyone is dependent on him. Each player makes plays for other. We saw it from Ayton, Saric, Cam, Mikal, and of course, Booker.

Rubio contributed to the success as well, don't get me wrong. And I think you need a capable passer at the point. I just wouldn't go as far as to say Rubio "makes the system work."

This. Rubio was 7th on the team in Usage %. He was good for our team this year. But any average starting PG in the league could do that for us, and give us the flexibility to add pieces to our team that we are missing. We have no depth.

7th!

Makes it that much more apparent our priorities at that position need to be 3P% and defense.

We’re not relying on our PG to be Steve Nash. Just to make the right read to initiate the offense.

We have our starting PF- Cam.

I’m looking potentially for an upgrade at starting PG and a combo guard off the bench, as well as a backup PF and SF this offseason. I’d bring Saric back on the cheap if he’s willing as well. For me, Book/Bridges/Cam/AYton are solidified as our #2-5. Every other rotational position is up for grabs depending on if you feel you can get an upgrade in trade, draft or FA (though anything in the draft I would assume to be a 13th man for a few years and not rely on their production for 2021)

[Indy]

I woildn't try to fix what has proven to be not broken. Trading Rubio or Oubre is not something I'd actively pursue. We need a starter PF and another guard. We habe a high pick and around 20M in cap space. Finding a way to draft Haliburton or Toppin is my fist goal. Then I spend on Millsap/Woods/Ibaka or FVV, depending on what I did in the draft.

Oubre--if you think he is going to command 20M on the open market after this season, you find a way to trade him. His stock is too high to just let him play out the final year of his deal and go to the highest bidder with no compensation on our end.

Rubio--I am not actively looking to shop him. I think that devalues him when you start calling everyone to see what they would give you. You select a few guys around the league that you think could give you similar production (but maybe less in floor generalship and more in defense and 3%) for half the price. Then you can upgrade our 2nd unit at guard, and bring in a backup center.

[Ring_Wanted]

I am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).

As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.

[Indy]

I am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).

As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.

If we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?

[Split T]

Watching this jazz-nuggets game, I don’t think I’d want to go after Clarkson. He’s a black hole, he doesn’t see obvious passes, not a defender. We don’t need him.

[Indy]

Watching this jazz-nuggets game, I don’t think I’d want to go after Clarkson. He’s a black hole, he doesn’t see obvious passes, not a defender. We don’t need him.

Yeah, I don't think he fits .5 very well.

[Split T]

I am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).

As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.

If we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?

Rubio would come off the books...you just gotta get Sarver on board. If we’re a good team, I think he’d do it

[Ring_Wanted]

I am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).

As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.

If we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?

With money

But that would be a bridge ( ) I'd cross when I get to it. Before worrying about a roster too expensive, I need to assemble a team that is credibly worth the trouble.

[Split T]

Watching this jazz-nuggets game, I don’t think I’d want to go after Clarkson. He’s a black hole, he doesn’t see obvious passes, not a defender. We don’t need him.

Yeah, I don't think he fits .5 very well.

I’d take this version of Mitchell though if he wants out of Utah. He’s been phenomenal.

[Indy]

Watching this jazz-nuggets game, I don’t think I’d want to go after Clarkson. He’s a black hole, he doesn’t see obvious passes, not a defender. We don’t need him.

Yeah, I don't think he fits .5 very well.

I’d take this version of Mitchell though if he wants out of Utah. He’s been phenomenal.

He is really good. I don't get the hate he gets (especially from Suns fans).

[Indy]

I am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).

As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.

If we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?

With money

But that would be a bridge ( ) I'd cross when I get to it. Before worrying about a roster too expensive, I need to assemble a team that is credibly worth the trouble.

That is a very solid point. I will concede that.

While trying not to over-react to 8 games... Cam and Mikal look like they can handle the 3/4 for the next few years. We have limited resources, and I think we should be investing it in back up 1/2 and 4/5. There may be nothing out there for Ricky. As INF said, PG is a pretty deep position across the league. Maybe nobody is interested in giving up good things for him at what he is getting paid. I would get that.

[Split T]

Watching this jazz-nuggets game, I don’t think I’d want to go after Clarkson. He’s a black hole, he doesn’t see obvious passes, not a defender. We don’t need him.

Yeah, I don't think he fits .5 very well.

I’d take this version of Mitchell though if he wants out of Utah. He’s been phenomenal.

He is really good. I don't get the hate he gets (especially from Suns fans).

Just the comparison between him and Booker. They’re the top 2 young 2 guards in the league. They often get compared, to feel better about your guy, you knock the other one. Then it just keeps feeding into itself. If the other team is knocking your guy, you feel the need to knock their guy even more.

[Ring_Wanted]

I am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).

As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.

If we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?

With money

But that would be a bridge ( ) I'd cross when I get to it. Before worrying about a roster too expensive, I need to assemble a team that is credibly worth the trouble.

That is a very solid point. I will concede that.

While trying not to over-react to 8 games... Cam and Mikal look like they can handle the 3/4 for the next few years. We have limited resources, and I think we should be investing it in back up 1/2 and 4/5. There may be nothing out there for Ricky. As INF said, PG is a pretty deep position across the league. Maybe nobody is interested in giving up good things for him at what he is getting paid. I would get that.

You don't think we need a better starter at PF? The kids are holding their own, but in my opinion, adding a player like Millsap, Woods or Ibaka gives the team a lift in comparison to keeping Saric-Baynes.

[Indy]

I am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).

As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.

If we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?

With money

But that would be a bridge ( ) I'd cross when I get to it. Before worrying about a roster too expensive, I need to assemble a team that is credibly worth the trouble.

That is a very solid point. I will concede that.

While trying not to over-react to 8 games... Cam and Mikal look like they can handle the 3/4 for the next few years. We have limited resources, and I think we should be investing it in back up 1/2 and 4/5. There may be nothing out there for Ricky. As INF said, PG is a pretty deep position across the league. Maybe nobody is interested in giving up good things for him at what he is getting paid. I would get that.

You don't think we need a better starter at PF? The kids are holding their own, but in my opinion, adding a player like Millsap, Woods or Ibaka gives the team a lift in comparison to keeping Saric-Baynes.

I would love to get an upgrade at every position. I think the only starters we have that you can legit say is in top 3rd of the league for their position is Book and Ayton. And I am all for trying to get Christian Wood here (I have been saying that for quite a while). I just don't see it as likely without moving someone on the team. And I wouldn't move Mikal or Cam Johnson* to make that happen (*unless there was more coming back our way).

[Ring_Wanted]

I also want to upgrade every position. Just want to begin with the weakest link, which is PF. And for that we don't need to move Mikal or Cam (or Oubre). Just not bringing back Saric and Baynes is enough to have a shot at one of the three bigs I mentioned (of course, while also dropping Jerome, Okobo, Diallo). Dumping/letting all them go gives us around 20M in cap space after using the pick.

I honestly don't understand why we are talking about Rubio when he has done his job and there are resources to solve more pressing needs than upgrading from him. For the record, I'd actually entertain adding to him (and Booker) in the case the draft or a trade provided the PF we need (for instance, a move for Lauri would leave us room to pursue FVV).

[specialsauce]

If I’m bringing Wood in, its as Johnson’s backup. Our 2-5 is set IMO.

[specialsauce]

IMO the position we are most consistently outplayed by each night is PG.Our PG more often than not is outplayed by his opponent. Not always, but probably more often than any other position in our starting 5