Around the League: Offseason

[Shabazz]

Ugh.

Harry Giles also looked really good.

[Split T]

I really hope Jalen Smith is awesome because I have a feeling passing on haliburton is going to hurt.

[INFORMER]

I hate when GMs operate in a box. I really feel like nothing should be off the table, except for bad character guys. It's fine to draft a teenager. It's fine to draft a senior. It's fine to draft an international player. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy whose jumper needs work. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy who doesn't jump out of the gym. Sometimes it's ok to take the guy who does jump out of the gym.

Too many GMs get too rigid, and it leads to awful mistakes.

[Split T]

The thing is, Haliburton seemed to fit James Jones box perfectly. I would love to know why we passed on him. I honestly hope it was because he asked us not to draft him. I can understand not taking a guy who doesn’t want to be here. I still would have taken him though.

[Indy]

I hate when GMs operate in a box. I really feel like nothing should be off the table, except for bad character guys. It's fine to draft a teenager. It's fine to draft a senior. It's fine to draft an international player. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy whose jumper needs work. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy who doesn't jump out of the gym. Sometimes it's ok to take the guy who does jump out of the gym.

Too many GMs get too rigid, and it leads to awful mistakes.

Agreed. And I would say too many *people* operate in a box. Some people have really large, amorphous boxes, and others have very small and very rigid ones. I think the hope is that you learn over time to open it up and let it flex. It took Jones a long time as a player to learn how to fit in and do what was needed of him. I hope he figures it out as a GM before too long. (Also, I think the after-the-fact praise he got for reaching on Cam might have inflated his draft ego a bit.)

[ShelC]

[In2ition]

And Philly responded..."LOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! GTFOH!"

[Indy]

And Philly responded..."LOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! GTFOH!"

How do you see them rated? Is Simmons + 1 first round pick = Harden? Or are you thinking Harden is less valuable than Simmons?

[Superbone]

I hate when GMs operate in a box. I really feel like nothing should be off the table, except for bad character guys. It's fine to draft a teenager. It's fine to draft a senior. It's fine to draft an international player. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy whose jumper needs work. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy who doesn't jump out of the gym. Sometimes it's ok to take the guy who does jump out of the gym.

Too many GMs get too rigid, and it leads to awful mistakes.

Agreed. And I would say too many *people* operate in a box. Some people have really large, amorphous boxes, and others have very small and very rigid ones. I think the hope is that you learn over time to open it up and let it flex. It took Jones a long time as a player to learn how to fit in and do what was needed of him. I hope he figures it out as a GM before too long. (Also, I think the after-the-fact praise he got for reaching on Cam might have inflated his draft ego a bit.)

Be water.

[In2ition]

And Philly responded..."LOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! GTFOH!"

How do you see them rated? Is Simmons + 1 first round pick = Harden? Or are you thinking Harden is less valuable than Simmons?

I think it's a eye of the beholder thing for each team. Simmons is a really valuable in Philly's eyes. They would probably want a pick from Houston in a swap, since Simmons isn't asking out. Harden of course is a top 5 player and a former MVP, who may be a better fit with Embiid, but I don't see Philly giving up multiple picks for a guy that doesn't want to be in his current situation.

[Indy]

And Philly responded..."LOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! GTFOH!"

How do you see them rated? Is Simmons + 1 first round pick = Harden? Or are you thinking Harden is less valuable than Simmons?

I think it's a eye of the beholder thing for each team. Simmons is a really valuable in Philly's eyes. They would probably want a pick from Houston in a swap, since Simmons isn't asking out. Harden of course is a top 5 player and a former MVP, who may be a better fit with Embiid, but I don't see Philly giving up multiple picks for a guy that doesn't want to be in his current situation.

I haven't looked up how many (if any) other picks they have besides their own. But I could see a couple picks going Houston's way depending on protection. And if you are Philly, you have to assume that doing this deal puts you ahead of the Celtics and on par with Brooklyn in the east, otherwise you walk away.

[Indy]

I hate when GMs operate in a box. I really feel like nothing should be off the table, except for bad character guys. It's fine to draft a teenager. It's fine to draft a senior. It's fine to draft an international player. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy whose jumper needs work. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy who doesn't jump out of the gym. Sometimes it's ok to take the guy who does jump out of the gym.

Too many GMs get too rigid, and it leads to awful mistakes.

Agreed. And I would say too many *people* operate in a box. Some people have really large, amorphous boxes, and others have very small and very rigid ones. I think the hope is that you learn over time to open it up and let it flex. It took Jones a long time as a player to learn how to fit in and do what was needed of him. I hope he figures it out as a GM before too long. (Also, I think the after-the-fact praise he got for reaching on Cam might have inflated his draft ego a bit.)

Be water.

Incompressible, and fills whatever space it is given (based on volume/pressure/etc.).

[Shabazz]

And Philly responded..."LOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! GTFOH!"

How do you see them rated? Is Simmons + 1 first round pick = Harden? Or are you thinking Harden is less valuable than Simmons?

I think it's a eye of the beholder thing for each team. Simmons is a really valuable in Philly's eyes. They would probably want a pick from Houston in a swap, since Simmons isn't asking out. Harden of course is a top 5 player and a former MVP, who may be a better fit with Embiid, but I don't see Philly giving up multiple picks for a guy that doesn't want to be in his current situation.

I haven't looked up how many (if any) other picks they have besides their own. But I could see a couple picks going Houston's way depending on protection. And if you are Philly, you have to assume that doing this deal puts you ahead of the Celtics and on par with Brooklyn in the east, otherwise you walk away.

I know Houston isn’t doing this trade for the present, but one thing they have to consider is that Wall and Simmons is a really poor fit together.

[In2ition]

And Philly responded..."LOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! GTFOH!"

How do you see them rated? Is Simmons + 1 first round pick = Harden? Or are you thinking Harden is less valuable than Simmons?

I think it's a eye of the beholder thing for each team. Simmons is a really valuable in Philly's eyes. They would probably want a pick from Houston in a swap, since Simmons isn't asking out. Harden of course is a top 5 player and a former MVP, who may be a better fit with Embiid, but I don't see Philly giving up multiple picks for a guy that doesn't want to be in his current situation.

I haven't looked up how many (if any) other picks they have besides their own. But I could see a couple picks going Houston's way depending on protection. And if you are Philly, you have to assume that doing this deal puts you ahead of the Celtics and on par with Brooklyn in the east, otherwise you walk away.

Agreed. Having Morey as the GM probably helps facilitate this. I think they still have quite a few of these, and I'm sure that Houston is trying to recoup some that they lost.

[Indy]

And Philly responded..."LOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! GTFOH!"

How do you see them rated? Is Simmons + 1 first round pick = Harden? Or are you thinking Harden is less valuable than Simmons?

I think it's a eye of the beholder thing for each team. Simmons is a really valuable in Philly's eyes. They would probably want a pick from Houston in a swap, since Simmons isn't asking out. Harden of course is a top 5 player and a former MVP, who may be a better fit with Embiid, but I don't see Philly giving up multiple picks for a guy that doesn't want to be in his current situation.

I haven't looked up how many (if any) other picks they have besides their own. But I could see a couple picks going Houston's way depending on protection. And if you are Philly, you have to assume that doing this deal puts you ahead of the Celtics and on par with Brooklyn in the east, otherwise you walk away.

I know Houston isn’t doing this trade for the present, but one thing they have to consider is that Wall and Simmons is a really poor fit together.

Yeah, even with two unprotected 1sts coming to Houston, I think it is a bad deal for them. I realize they are trying to deal with him asking out, but they need to do better than this. I am assuming they are going to blow it up and try and get some good young prospects and picks they can control for the next several years as they rebuild (and wait out Wall's contract).

[ShelC]

So much has happened so quickly in recent weeks that I can't remember but did Philly and Houston ever talk a Simmons-Westbrook swap? I would've paired Simmons with Harden a lot faster than Simmons and Wall because of Harden's shooting. It'd be tough to take the ball out of any of those guys' hands, but at least Harden can shoot it. Westbrook still could've worked in Philly off Embiid.

[Superbone]

I hate when GMs operate in a box. I really feel like nothing should be off the table, except for bad character guys. It's fine to draft a teenager. It's fine to draft a senior. It's fine to draft an international player. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy whose jumper needs work. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy who doesn't jump out of the gym. Sometimes it's ok to take the guy who does jump out of the gym.

Too many GMs get too rigid, and it leads to awful mistakes.

Agreed. And I would say too many *people* operate in a box. Some people have really large, amorphous boxes, and others have very small and very rigid ones. I think the hope is that you learn over time to open it up and let it flex. It took Jones a long time as a player to learn how to fit in and do what was needed of him. I hope he figures it out as a GM before too long. (Also, I think the after-the-fact praise he got for reaching on Cam might have inflated his draft ego a bit.)

Be water.

Incompressible, and fills whatever space it is given (based on volume/pressure/etc.).

I just watched the Bruce Lee doc yesterday. It's excellent, by the way.

[Split T]

So much has happened so quickly in recent weeks that I can't remember but did Philly and Houston ever talk a Simmons-Westbrook swap? I would've paired Simmons with Harden a lot faster than Simmons and Wall because of Harden's shooting. It'd be tough to take the ball out of any of those guys' hands, but at least Harden can shoot it. Westbrook still could've worked in Philly off Embiid.

No way Philly does that. Simmons is way more valuable than Westbrook.

[O_Gardino]

I hate when GMs operate in a box. I really feel like nothing should be off the table, except for bad character guys. It's fine to draft a teenager. It's fine to draft a senior. It's fine to draft an international player. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy whose jumper needs work. Sometimes it's ok to take a guy who doesn't jump out of the gym. Sometimes it's ok to take the guy who does jump out of the gym.

Too many GMs get too rigid, and it leads to awful mistakes.

Agreed. And I would say too many *people* operate in a box. Some people have really large, amorphous boxes, and others have very small and very rigid ones. I think the hope is that you learn over time to open it up and let it flex. It took Jones a long time as a player to learn how to fit in and do what was needed of him. I hope he figures it out as a GM before too long. (Also, I think the after-the-fact praise he got for reaching on Cam might have inflated his draft ego a bit.)

Be water.

[ShelC]

So much has happened so quickly in recent weeks that I can't remember but did Philly and Houston ever talk a Simmons-Westbrook swap? I would've paired Simmons with Harden a lot faster than Simmons and Wall because of Harden's shooting. It'd be tough to take the ball out of any of those guys' hands, but at least Harden can shoot it. Westbrook still could've worked in Philly off Embiid.

No way Philly does that. Simmons is way more valuable than Westbrook.