Draft

[ShelC]

Good article and breakdown of what Jones likes in players. Kispert would be a no brainer and supposedly had a rough workout with Indy but doubt he's there at 29. Ayo, Murphy would probably be gone too?. We can presumably fill a lot of backup spots in FA so going with a SG/SF wouldn't be terrible. I think if we do go with a wing, they should be a shot creator and not just a shooter.

[Flagrant Fowl]

It's basically impossible to get a rookie contributor out of the 29th pick. So while James Jones has a type, all of his previous picks have been in the lottery where it's much easier to find "his guys".

[Split T]

I keep seeing Ayo drop to the 2nd in a lot of mocks. Think there’s a decent chance we pick him if he’s available at 29. He seems like a JJ type guy, but I also am not really sure I know what a JJ type guy is. I thought Haliburton was about as close to a JJ type of guy there was, but he passed on him.

[Shabazz]

I’d love if Jalen Johnson slid, but I don’t see him making it to 29.

[Superbone]

I’d love if Jalen Johnson slid, but I don’t see him making it to 29.

And he's literally a JJ guy.

[Vladimir_Taltos]

Let's ask the fundamental question...any chance of trading up to ANY reasonable pick? Say 18 or below?

VT

[Vladimir_Taltos]

Not sure how much stock I put in it, but moving up to 16 would be helpful...

https://valleyofthesuns.com/2021/07/26/ ... a-draft/2/

[ShelC]

Good list here, a lot of guards.

[ShelC]

[Split T]

I haven’t looked at any bigs, and I barely looked at the guards, but here’s my thoughts on our pick…

Jared Butler is the guy I want the most, but I don’t think he’ll be there. He’s the most complete guard of the ones that could potentially be available. He can shoot off the dribble and off the catch, he can run some offense, he can defend. He’s a little small, so I’m not sure he’s a switchable defender, but he’s not a big liability.

I don’t even know who I like the most of the other guys, maybe typing this out will help me decide. The skills I’m looking for are shooting, specifically pull-up shooting, playmaking potential, and defense. Don’t think any of the guards besides Butler provide all 3.

Tre Mann has the pull up shooting. He’s got a good handle and can get to his shots…he’s probably the best pull-up shooter in the draft. I believe he’s a sophomore, but a young sophomore. He grew this last year and could potentially still be growing. He’s ok as a playmaker. Capable of simple reads, but he’s not a pg at the moment. Not a great finisher, good floater, but struggles getting to the rim. Defense is a question mark.

Bones Hyland is probably the next best pull-up shooter…deep, deep range as he pulls from anywhere. He’s quicker than Mann and a better finisher. Didn’t watch a lot, but I didn’t see much playmaking and he’s quite small..165 lbs. I got a lot of Lou Williams vibes.

Miles McBride is a West Virginia pg and gets some Jevon Carter comparisons. Defensive menace, but a little small at 6’2, and not really a pg. 6’8 wingspan though. Carter with a little more shooting as he can make pull-up 3s, though not at the level of the previous 2.

Jaden Springer is a bigger guard…maybe more scorer than playmaker at the moment, but he’s got the potential to play the point. Calling card is defense, he’s great there and he’s pretty good getting to the rim. He’s strong attacking the rim, although not an explosive athlete. Shot a good percentage from 3, but on very limited attempts. He’s not a pull-up shooter at the moment. Maybe some Malcolm Brogdon potential if the shot comes around.

Josh Primo is a little bigger, can shoot a little, and has more defensive chops than Mann and Hyland. Honestly I didn’t watch this guy much and wasn’t that impressed with what I saw. He’s young though and there’s talk he would be a lot higher next year after another year of seasoning.

Ayo Dosunmo is a bigger guard, he attacks the rim well and Can defend multiple positions. Just ok as a shooter. Not a pg, but can make some plays. He’s a 3 year guy. I feel he’s a plug and play type guy, but maybe not a high ceiling. Think he could step into the role Nader played for us as a bigger guard that can attack the rim and play some defense.

Jason Preston is the most skilled of these guys. He’s a fantastic shooter and passer. Top 3 passer in this draft. He’s a lot of fun and would be a lottery pick if he had just average athleticism. I have no idea if he’s going to cut it as an athlete in the nba, but he’s intriguing.

I probably forgot someone, but after all that, I think I’m leaning Tre Mann after Jared Butler. His pull up shooting is just fantastic and I think would add another dimension to our offense. I think he’s shown enough playmaking that I’d be hopeful he could develop into a guy that can run a little offense. Probably never a primary creator, but there’s also a little hope he gets a bit bigger and can defend the 2.

So Jared Butler, Tre Mann…then I’ll go Jaden Springer and Bones Hyland.

[bajanguy008]

And we're off n running

Everyone's favourite FA aka "Cash Considerations" always in the mix smh lol

[Shabazz]

I haven’t looked at any bigs, and I barely looked at the guards, but here’s my thoughts on our pick…

Jared Butler is the guy I want the most, but I don’t think he’ll be there. He’s the most complete guard of the ones that could potentially be available. He can shoot off the dribble and off the catch, he can run some offense, he can defend. He’s a little small, so I’m not sure he’s a switchable defender, but he’s not a big liability.

I don’t even know who I like the most of the other guys, maybe typing this out will help me decide. The skills I’m looking for are shooting, specifically pull-up shooting, playmaking potential, and defense. Don’t think any of the guards besides Butler provide all 3.

Tre Mann has the pull up shooting. He’s got a good handle and can get to his shots…he’s probably the best pull-up shooter in the draft. I believe he’s a sophomore, but a young sophomore. He grew this last year and could potentially still be growing. He’s ok as a playmaker. Capable of simple reads, but he’s not a pg at the moment. Not a great finisher, good floater, but struggles getting to the rim. Defense is a question mark.

Bones Hyland is probably the next best pull-up shooter…deep, deep range as he pulls from anywhere. He’s quicker than Mann and a better finisher. Didn’t watch a lot, but I didn’t see much playmaking and he’s quite small..165 lbs. I got a lot of Lou Williams vibes.

Miles McBride is a West Virginia pg and gets some Jevon Carter comparisons. Defensive menace, but a little small at 6’2, and not really a pg. 6’8 wingspan though. Carter with a little more shooting as he can make pull-up 3s, though not at the level of the previous 2.

Jaden Springer is a bigger guard…maybe more scorer than playmaker at the moment, but he’s got the potential to play the point. Calling card is defense, he’s great there and he’s pretty good getting to the rim. He’s strong attacking the rim, although not an explosive athlete. Shot a good percentage from 3, but on very limited attempts. He’s not a pull-up shooter at the moment. Maybe some Malcolm Brogdon potential if the shot comes around.

Josh Primo is a little bigger, can shoot a little, and has more defensive chops than Mann and Hyland. Honestly I didn’t watch this guy much and wasn’t that impressed with what I saw. He’s young though and there’s talk he would be a lot higher next year after another year of seasoning.

Ayo Dosunmo is a bigger guard, he attacks the rim well and Can defend multiple positions. Just ok as a shooter. Not a pg, but can make some plays. He’s a 3 year guy. I feel he’s a plug and play type guy, but maybe not a high ceiling. Think he could step into the role Nader played for us as a bigger guard that can attack the rim and play some defense.

Jason Preston is the most skilled of these guys. He’s a fantastic shooter and passer. Top 3 passer in this draft. He’s a lot of fun and would be a lottery pick if he had just average athleticism. I have no idea if he’s going to cut it as an athlete in the nba, but he’s intriguing.

I probably forgot someone, but after all that, I think I’m leaning Tre Mann after Jared Butler. His pull up shooting is just fantastic and I think would add another dimension to our offense. I think he’s shown enough playmaking that I’d be hopeful he could develop into a guy that can run a little offense. Probably never a primary creator, but there’s also a little hope he gets a bit bigger and can defend the 2.

So Jared Butler, Tre Mann…then I’ll go Jaden Springer and Bones Hyland.

Sharife Cooper. Insane passer.

[Split T]

Ya..feels like he won’t make it to 29…and he’s a bad shooter. I think I’d pass on Cooper.

[bajanguy008]

I am a wait n see how the player looks in actual games
Don't watch enough college ball to have a strong opinion on anyone so I don't get too stressed about the draft.



I know this might very well be the case again on here later
Smh
Try not to go too mental friends

[Split T]

That’s definitely how I am this year. Hardly watched anything except parts of the tourney. Watched some scouting videos this week and read the scouting reports. I’m half expecting to trade the pick anyways.

[Uncle_Gene]

Here are some facts:

We need big man help immediately
Big men take longer to develop
We drafted a big last year and may need to get him some development minutes
Our window to compete is now
Typical expected performance for a 29th pick in their rookie year is low to nil, especially on a contending team

All of this leads me to believe that we won’t look to “solve” the big man need with this pick. In fact, I don’t know that we can solve any immediate need with this pick so all options should be on the table: trade, BPA, etc.

PREACH !!

[bajanguy008]

I know how Twitter gets "in the lead up and during" the Draft but seriously ?!?

Man this is a little too much

[Oatmeal]

Can we trade 29 for Clarke and try to fix him?

If not, Primo or Tre Mann plz.

[Shabazz]

This is my best case scenario. Johnson is not a shooter, but he's Diaw-esque with more aggressiveness on O and very promising on D.

[Oatmeal]

Jalen Johnson would be great, just dont think he'll be there