All Things Ayton

[Split T]

I keep telling you all. Sarver won't even let Jones offer him a base max of $172.5M. He doesn't consider him to be a max player.

Utterly outrageous. I hope Bobby Marks still gives them an offseason grade of F. Because this is an absolute failure.

It’s possible, but none of us actually know.

[Split T]

FUN FACT: Devin Booker is up for an extension in 20.5 months from now.

That's why it's so dangerous to not extend Ayton right now. Imagine Booker makes All-NBA this season. Then next summer, Robert Sarver will think, "Well I have to give Booker a supermax extension next summer, so I can't afford Ayton."

Don't say I didn't warn you.

I'm not sure Booker is worth the supermax either. If you give Ayton the full escalators rookie max, you for sure have to give Booker the full supermax.

This might be about Sarver, but it might just be about Ayton. Can he show is more than 20 games of consistent high level play before we give him 200 million?

[ShelC]

I keep telling you all. Sarver won't even let Jones offer him a base max of $172.5M. He doesn't consider him to be a max player.

Utterly outrageous. I hope Bobby Marks still gives them an offseason grade of F. Because this is an absolute failure.

I probably won't be able to sleep the rest of the week if Bobby Marks gives our offseason an F.

[The Bobster]

He'll get it somewhere.

This is a league where you are paid for potential, and his ceiling is pretty high.

And Sarver's main problem is that he sees himself as a Jerry Colangelo type of owner but Colangelo has a lifetime of experience as a player, coach and basketball executive that Sarver doesn't.

His involvement in personnel decisions isn't any sort of plus.

[JeremyG]

What's the point of staying with a team that's pissed you off if they aren't even giving you any more money than other teams are offering you?

It's not my intention to go at you for this because we hear it all the time from people in the media and sometimes people adjacent to players (agents, family, ect.)

But it's complete horseshit and makes me a little angry to think that someone who signs a contract that will pay them $150 million or more is somehow pissed off because of it.

Like Ayton said himself, it's about respect, and being respected and valued as much as your peers are by their teams. It's not necessarily about the money.

[Indy]

FUN FACT: Devin Booker is up for an extension in 20.5 months from now.

That's why it's so dangerous to not extend Ayton right now. Imagine Booker makes All-NBA this season. Then next summer, Robert Sarver will think, "Well I have to give Booker a supermax extension next summer, so I can't afford Ayton."

Don't say I didn't warn you.

I'm not sure Booker is worth the supermax either. If you give Ayton the full escalators rookie max, you for sure have to give Booker the full supermax.

This might be about Sarver, but it might just be about Ayton. Can he show is more than 20 games of consistent high level play before we give him 200 million?

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[JeremyG]

FUN FACT: Devin Booker is up for an extension in 20.5 months from now.

That's why it's so dangerous to not extend Ayton right now. Imagine Booker makes All-NBA this season. Then next summer, Robert Sarver will think, "Well I have to give Booker a supermax extension next summer, so I can't afford Ayton."

Don't say I didn't warn you.

I'm not sure Booker is worth the supermax either. If you give Ayton the full escalators rookie max, you for sure have to give Booker the full supermax.

This might be about Sarver, but it might just be about Ayton. Can he show is more than 20 games of consistent high level play before we give him 200 million?

Sarver is not going to lose all of his players, so he will definitely give Booker the supermax if he's eligible for it. And that may scare him enough next summer to where he lets Ayton walk. That's all I'm saying. It's pretty scary.

[Split T]

We often say he’ll get it somewhere, but we can still offer significantly more than anyone else. I believe 4/128 is the largest deal he can sign with another team next year. We can still do 5/172 and that’s assuming he doesn’t make all-nba.

[Split T]

FUN FACT: Devin Booker is up for an extension in 20.5 months from now.

That's why it's so dangerous to not extend Ayton right now. Imagine Booker makes All-NBA this season. Then next summer, Robert Sarver will think, "Well I have to give Booker a supermax extension next summer, so I can't afford Ayton."

Don't say I didn't warn you.

I'm not sure Booker is worth the supermax either. If you give Ayton the full escalators rookie max, you for sure have to give Booker the full supermax.

This might be about Sarver, but it might just be about Ayton. Can he show is more than 20 games of consistent high level play before we give him 200 million?

Sarver is not going to lose all of his players, so he will definitely give Booker the supermax if he's eligible for it. And that may scare him enough next summer to where he lets Ayton walk. That's all I'm saying. It's pretty scary.

There’s no way he lets him walk. He may sign and trade him, but he’s not just losing him for nothing.

[Superbone]

At least now we have something to talk about all season long.

[ShelC]

We got Javale and Stix. It'll be fine. Plus CP and Book can recruit other bigs. No lose situation.

[JeremyG]

We got Javale and Stix. It'll be fine. Plus CP and Book can recruit other bigs. No lose situation.

Is this sarcasm? It has to be, right? This undervaluing of Ayton is ridiculous.

[JeremyG]

FUN FACT: Devin Booker is up for an extension in 20.5 months from now.

That's why it's so dangerous to not extend Ayton right now. Imagine Booker makes All-NBA this season. Then next summer, Robert Sarver will think, "Well I have to give Booker a supermax extension next summer, so I can't afford Ayton."

Don't say I didn't warn you.

I'm not sure Booker is worth the supermax either. If you give Ayton the full escalators rookie max, you for sure have to give Booker the full supermax.

This might be about Sarver, but it might just be about Ayton. Can he show is more than 20 games of consistent high level play before we give him 200 million?

Sarver is not going to lose all of his players, so he will definitely give Booker the supermax if he's eligible for it. And that may scare him enough next summer to where he lets Ayton walk. That's all I'm saying. It's pretty scary.

There’s no way he lets him walk. He may sign and trade him, but he’s not just losing him for nothing.

Yeah it would probably be a S&T, but still we probably wouldn't get much in return (another Boris Diaw like in the JJ trade if we get extremely lucky) and we lose Ayton. I would consider that to be a disaster.

[JeremyG]

I hope we do, just so we don’t have to hear about it all year, but I don’t think it’s happening. Just don’t think there is enough incentive for either side to get it done. Ayton knows he’s getting a max regardless, he wants the full escalators max. The Suns know Ayton is restricted and really under team control no matter what. The only small out Ayton has is to take the QO. Which is stupid because he’d probably be throwing away more money doing that than the drop from the 206 max to the 172 max. So that’s not happening.

But he's not getting the 172 max if we are only matching an RFA offer sheet. Wouldn't he get more the next offseason as a UFA?

[JeremyG]

The Hawks were offering John Collins 90mil over 4 last offseason, he played out the year and got 5 years 125 (5th yr PO) after the playoff run. So it's not the end of the world if DA doesn't sign and we're not the first team to go thru this. It can all get worked out.

Good luck with that, with a nasty owner like Robert Sarver. And you all are forgetting the other examples people in the media have pointed out, such as Gordon Hayward getting matched but wanting to leave just a few years later.

[Split T]

[Aztec Sunsfan]

Interesting it says Sarver didn't offer it, not Jones...

Makes it better for click baiting.

"More on this Ugly Feud on NBATV, now".

"Sarver the villain, did it again, get the entire scoop on ESPN"

"Are the Suns capable to overcome a fractured locker room? Follow me for the inside history"

[Split T]

I hope we do, just so we don’t have to hear about it all year, but I don’t think it’s happening. Just don’t think there is enough incentive for either side to get it done. Ayton knows he’s getting a max regardless, he wants the full escalators max. The Suns know Ayton is restricted and really under team control no matter what. The only small out Ayton has is to take the QO. Which is stupid because he’d probably be throwing away more money doing that than the drop from the 206 max to the 172 max. So that’s not happening.

But he's not getting the 172 max if we are only matching an RFA offer sheet. Wouldn't he get more the next offseason as a UFA?

Correct, I think it’d be like 4/128 if we are matching an offer sheet. So we can still give him a lot more. I don’t think he can get anymore by waiting for ufa the year after…just a slight bump for the increase in the salary cap, but the percentages remain the same and he can only get the designated max from us.

[Split T]

The Hawks were offering John Collins 90mil over 4 last offseason, he played out the year and got 5 years 125 (5th yr PO) after the playoff run. So it's not the end of the world if DA doesn't sign and we're not the first team to go thru this. It can all get worked out.

Good luck with that, with a nasty owner like Robert Sarver. And you all are forgetting the other examples people in the media have pointed out, such as Gordon Hayward getting matched but wanting to leave just a few years later.

Hayward played out the 4 years of his contract and left in free agency. There were no problems while he was there in Utah.

[Indy]

Interesting it says Sarver didn't offer it, not Jones...

Makes it better for click baiting.

"More on this Ugly Feud on NBATV, now".

"Sarver the villain, did it again, get the entire scoop on ESPN"

"Are the Suns capable to overcome a fractured locker room? Follow me for the inside history"

I don't think those were Woj's words. Someone told him Sarver didn't offer it.