NBA Playoffs WCSF, Game 7: Dallas Mavericks @ Phoenix Suns (3-3), Sunday 15/05/22

[virtual9mm]

I am out for a while...this is just how it feels to be a Suns fan. See ya folks.

[TOO]

Well, now it is crystal clear that Doncic should have been the pick over Ayton. No how much no matter how much I hate his guts right now.

You're right but I've hated Luka well before now. He's got some bad basketball karma coming. He's pretty well hated by most of thr players in the league. He's a tough dude to root for.

My argument would be, where was Luka last year if he was so great?

Com'on man. We've just spent two seasons rooting for Chris Paul.

I hear ya. Chris has always been an irritant BUT he plays hard on both ends. Luka don't do shit for defense. He's one of the laziest players I've ever seen down there.

And still bad enough to carry his ragtag team to a WCF. Wait until he comes in in shape.

[Flagrant Fowl]

Well, now it is crystal clear that Doncic should have been the pick over Ayton. No how much no matter how much I hate his guts right now.

You're right but I've hated Luka well before now. He's got some bad basketball karma coming. He's pretty well hated by most of thr players in the league. He's a tough dude to root for.

My argument would be, where was Luka last year if he was so great?

Com'on man. We've just spent two seasons rooting for Chris Paul.

I'm not sure if you're helping right now

Hey man, it's over. What's the point of crying over spilled milk? It's just basketball, and even more so, none of us have anything to do with which team wins or loses.

[The Bobster]

In 13 playoff games they probably had 5 or 6 where they just came out an didn't give a good effort.

And that's a leadership problem on the court AND on the bench.

[JJ Slim]

Well guys it has been a blast again. See ya all in about 10 years

[Flagrant Fowl]

In 13 playoff games they probably had 5 or 6 where they just came out an didn't give a good effort.

And that's a leadership problem on the court AND on the bench.

I wish I could give this two 'hearts'. The writing was on the wall and we were all waiting for the 'switch' than never flipped.

[djy2j]

I think my first question for Monty would be, "In a series where the Suns lacked energy, where the eff was Araron Holiday?"

Dude comes in a brings it literally every time

[Charlie Smithy!]

Well, now it is crystal clear that Doncic should have been the pick over Ayton. No how much no matter how much I hate his guts right now.

You're right but I've hated Luka well before now. He's got some bad basketball karma coming. He's pretty well hated by most of thr players in the league. He's a tough dude to root for.

My argument would be, where was Luka last year if he was so great?

Com'on man. We've just spent two seasons rooting for Chris Paul.

I'm not sure if you're helping right now

Hey man, it's over. What's the point of crying over spilled milk? It's just basketball, and even more so, none of us have anything to do with which team wins or loses.

The emoji was for effect as well as an exaggeration of my feelings. I've dodged cancer; I get it.

[Mori Chu]

The thing is, this loss is so big, so devastating, such an absolute and total disaster, that I think it could cause us to make bad decisions this offseason. Do you blow up a team because they blow one huge game? Do you keep them together and tweak the team around the edges, hoping they learn from their tough loss?

I get the panic and the desire to trade Paul, don't max Ayton, trade the Cams, etc. But I don't think blowing it up is the right move. I would favor mostly keeping this team together and letting them soak in this loss and let it fuel them to come back better next year. Hopefully next year we will have Saric back for big man depth and can make 1-2 key signings to help us out. And hopefully we learn to use the pieces we have more effectively.

I am not ready to give up on this team.

[virtual9mm]

The thing is, this loss is so big, so devastating, such an absolute and total disaster, that I think it could cause us to make bad decisions this offseason. Do you blow up a team because they blow one huge game? Do you keep them together and tweak the team around the edges, hoping they learn from their tough loss?

I get the panic and the desire to trade Paul, don't max Ayton, trade the Cams, etc. But I don't think blowing it up is the right move. I would favor mostly keeping this team together and letting them soak in this loss and let it fuel them to come back better next year. Hopefully next year we will have Saric back for big man depth and can make 1-2 key signings to help us out. And hopefully we learn to use the pieces we have more effectively.

I am not ready to give up on this team.

I don't think that CP3 can make it through a postseason without getting hurt. In that sense, the team cannot win a title. Time to blow it up and I would start with getting as much value for CP3 as possible. Rebuild around Booker, Ayton, and Mikal.

[Superbone]

And I’ve got to give it up for Cam Johnson and Landry Shamet. Two of the only Suns that showed up for this game today.

[Wally_West]

The thing is, this loss is so big, so devastating, such an absolute and total disaster, that I think it could cause us to make bad decisions this offseason. Do you blow up a team because they blow one huge game? Do you keep them together and tweak the team around the edges, hoping they learn from their tough loss?

I get the panic and the desire to trade Paul, don't max Ayton, trade the Cams, etc. But I don't think blowing it up is the right move. I would favor mostly keeping this team together and letting them soak in this loss and let it fuel them to come back better next year. Hopefully next year we will have Saric back for big man depth and can make 1-2 key signings to help us out. And hopefully we learn to use the pieces we have more effectively.

I am not ready to give up on this team.

It’s clear to me we need another star. Chris Paul is too old and injury prone to be depended on as the 2nd best player on the team. I think we keep Book-CP3-Mikal but after that, have no idea what this roster will look like.

[SunsRIt]

The Suns and Cardinals did exactly the same thing this year. Good seasons and embarrassed in the playoffs. And a “key” player that feels like he should get paid. It’s so good to be an Arizona sports fan.

[Vladimir_Taltos]

I still think if we had taken Haliburton, this off season might have played out differently...this ending sux...

[The Bobster]

The thing is, this loss is so big, so devastating, such an absolute and total disaster, that I think it could cause us to make bad decisions this offseason. Do you blow up a team because they blow one huge game? Do you keep them together and tweak the team around the edges, hoping they learn from their tough loss?

I get the panic and the desire to trade Paul, don't max Ayton, trade the Cams, etc. But I don't think blowing it up is the right move. I would favor mostly keeping this team together and letting them soak in this loss and let it fuel them to come back better next year. Hopefully next year we will have Saric back for big man depth and can make 1-2 key signings to help us out. And hopefully we learn to use the pieces we have more effectively.

I am not ready to give up on this team.

I would keep looking for a big forward with some athleticism, like you know, they guy they traded to Indiana, and a guard who can come in and score off the bench (not just occasionally hit some wide open 3's like Shamet). I'd also look for a way to play Paul fewer minutes next year.

One mistake they made during the season was not addressing their needs (2nd year in a row of that, too) Craig and Holiday were just redundancy at positions they had depth at. They probably would have been better off keeping Smith and losing him after the season.

And taking their foot off the accelerator at the end of the season and coasting into the playoffs turned out to be a HUGE mistake.

[The Bobster]

And I’ve got to give it up for Cam Johnson and Landry Shamet. Two of the only Suns that showed up for this game today.

What are you talking about? Wainright played 5 amazing minutes!

BTW - 50 points in the first three periods, 40 points in the garbage-time fourth quarter.

[djy2j]

Ayton sign and trade is inevitable. There's no way anyone in the Suns franchise values him as a max player after this playoff run. It's ok. The 29 other teams arent caught up in the emotion of losing so He still has high trade value.

Maybe he figures out how to be DominAyton somewhere else but it clearly isn't going to happen in Phx with this current core.

Not bashing Ayton but the guy who is wanting a max contract didn't step up when he was needed that's all.

[Furlanfufi]

The thing is, this loss is so big, so devastating, such an absolute and total disaster, that I think it could cause us to make bad decisions this offseason. Do you blow up a team because they blow one huge game? Do you keep them together and tweak the team around the edges, hoping they learn from their tough loss?

I get the panic and the desire to trade Paul, don't max Ayton, trade the Cams, etc. But I don't think blowing it up is the right move. I would favor mostly keeping this team together and letting them soak in this loss and let it fuel them to come back better next year. Hopefully next year we will have Saric back for big man depth and can make 1-2 key signings to help us out. And hopefully we learn to use the pieces we have more effectively.

I am not ready to give up on this team.

It was not one game. They showed signs of this against the pelicans. And it finally got to then against the mavs.

[specialsauce]

The thing is, this loss is so big, so devastating, such an absolute and total disaster, that I think it could cause us to make bad decisions this offseason. Do you blow up a team because they blow one huge game? Do you keep them together and tweak the team around the edges, hoping they learn from their tough loss?

I get the panic and the desire to trade Paul, don't max Ayton, trade the Cams, etc. But I don't think blowing it up is the right move. I would favor mostly keeping this team together and letting them soak in this loss and let it fuel them to come back better next year. Hopefully next year we will have Saric back for big man depth and can make 1-2 key signings to help us out. And hopefully we learn to use the pieces we have more effectively.

I am not ready to give up on this team.

I don't think that CP3 can make it through a postseason without getting hurt. In that sense, the team cannot win a title. Time to blow it up and I would start with getting as much value for CP3 as possible. Rebuild around Booker, Ayton, and Mikal.

Exactly. These last two years showed me everything I needed to see about Chris Paul.

When you need him the most, mentally and physically he will let you down.

Not only did he struggle himself, he let his team completely unravel.

NEXT. Steve Nash he ain’t. Hard pass.

[specialsauce]

Ayton sign and trade is inevitable. There's no way anyone in the Suns franchise values him as a max player after this playoff run. It's ok. The 29 other teams arent caught up in the emotion of losing so He still has high trade value.

Maybe he figures out how to be DominAyton somewhere else but it clearly isn't going to happen in Phx with this current core.

Not bashing Ayton but the guy who is wanting a max contract didn't step up when he was needed that's all.

Casper showed up this series. Deandre was in the Bahamas already