Is KD coming to the Suns?

[JeremyG]

I believe this. Four is too many if they are also including assets like Ayton and Cam Johnson. Those two are worth 4 late first round picks by themselves.

How many picks would you trade if you knew you were getting one of the best 5 basketball players on the planet?

It doesn’t matter how many you would, it matters what the market is. Gobert fetched hot garbage and 4 picks.

We’re looking at a 34 year old player who’s got a few years left and has made it known he wants Phx. He’s driven away others. We don’t have to offer the farm and the animals living in it. Can be one or the other as set by past deals.

It's true that he will be 34 when the season starts. At least we know that left knee made it through a season. Anybody know how many games he missed last season?

KD missed 27 games last season.

[Indy]

Yeah I think DA is way better at some things, and Turner is way better at others. But they seem pretty comparable as overall players.

There’s that Lukarection shining through again. Have you called your doctor?

I didn't even mention him and you bring him up, so he might be living rent free in your head. Might be your time to call your psychiatrist.

[Indy]

I believe this. Four is too many if they are also including assets like Ayton and Cam Johnson. Those two are worth 4 late first round picks by themselves.

How many picks would you trade if you knew you were getting one of the best 5 basketball players on the planet?

It doesn’t matter how many you would, it matters what the market is. Gobert fetched hot garbage and 4 picks.

We’re looking at a 34 year old player who’s got a few years left and has made it known he wants Phx. He’s driven away others. We don’t have to offer the farm and the animals living in it. Can be one or the other as set by past deals.

It's true that he will be 34 when the season starts. At least we know that left knee made it through a season. Anybody know how many games he missed last season?

KD missed 27 games last season.

DA has averaged missing 21 games each season.

[Flagrant Fowl]

And the reason KD missed games was due to a freak accident on the court where Bruce Brown fell into his knee. That could happen to any player at any time.

[Indy]

And the reason KD missed games was due to a freak accident on the court where Bruce Brown fell into his knee. That could happen to any player at any time.

Yeah, it feels like most starting players in this league miss ~15-20 games a year due to injury. I have no numbers to back that up.

[Indy]

OK, I had to look it up.

This season there were 137 guys that started at least 41 games (half the season).

Of those 137, 45% (62) missed at least 15 games.

[Flagrant Fowl]

Basically everyone in the league misses games except for Mikal Bridges.

[The Bobster]

Did you include starters who missed the entire season? - Ben Simmons, T.J. Warren, Jonathan Isaac, John Wall, Zion Williamson

[Split T]

Myles Turner is a very good defender. He’s been in the DPOY conversation. I’m not gonna pretend like I watch a ton of him and know for sure, but it’s definitely believable that he’s better than DA.

Can’t move his feet.

He just gets blocks. That’s all.

And you watched Indiana enough to know this? All I know is he gets DPOY talk when he’s healthy and all the advanced plus/minus defensive metrics think he’s pretty elite on defense. Yes his strength is as a rim protector, but forgive me if I’m not gonna trust the opinion of a suns fan on Myles Turner’s defense. No offense but I doubt you’ve actually watched him enough to have a valid opinion on his defense.

[JeremyG]

How many picks would you trade if you knew you were getting one of the best 5 basketball players on the planet?

It doesn’t matter how many you would, it matters what the market is. Gobert fetched hot garbage and 4 picks.

We’re looking at a 34 year old player who’s got a few years left and has made it known he wants Phx. He’s driven away others. We don’t have to offer the farm and the animals living in it. Can be one or the other as set by past deals.

It's true that he will be 34 when the season starts. At least we know that left knee made it through a season. Anybody know how many games he missed last season?

KD missed 27 games last season.

DA has averaged missing 21 games each season.

It's actually 18 (there were only 72 games in '20-'21). And if you don't count the suspension (which has nothing to do with an injury conversation), then it's 12 games per season.

KD has missed an average of 35 games per season over those same 4 previous seasons, and over 45 games per season the last 3 seasons.

[specialsauce]

Yeah I think DA is way better at some things, and Turner is way better at others. But they seem pretty comparable as overall players.

There’s that Lukarection shining through again. Have you called your doctor?

I didn't even mention him and you bring him up, so he might be living rent free in your head. Might be your time to call your psychiatrist.

Your Boncic has been so strong since the day we drafted DA that you hate and minimize everything about him. Saying Turner and DA are comparable is like saying Doncic and Turkoglu are the same. Ridiculous.

[specialsauce]

Myles Turner is a very good defender. He’s been in the DPOY conversation. I’m not gonna pretend like I watch a ton of him and know for sure, but it’s definitely believable that he’s better than DA.

Can’t move his feet.

He just gets blocks. That’s all.

And you watched Indiana enough to know this? All I know is he gets DPOY talk when he’s healthy and all the advanced plus/minus defensive metrics think he’s pretty elite on defense. Yes his strength is as a rim protector, but forgive me if I’m not gonna trust the opinion of a suns fan on Myles Turner’s defense. No offense but I doubt you’ve actually watched him enough to have a valid opinion on his defense.

Go take a peek on Indiana boards. There’s a reason they’ve been rumored to be shopping him for years now.

[specialsauce]

Don’t get me wrong, if we get KD and then swap DA for Turner in our lineup that’s a win to me.

But let’s not pretend like it’s not a sizable downgrade in talent and potential at that position going forward.

[specialsauce]

It doesn’t matter how many you would, it matters what the market is. Gobert fetched hot garbage and 4 picks.

We’re looking at a 34 year old player who’s got a few years left and has made it known he wants Phx. He’s driven away others. We don’t have to offer the farm and the animals living in it. Can be one or the other as set by past deals.

It's true that he will be 34 when the season starts. At least we know that left knee made it through a season. Anybody know how many games he missed last season?

KD missed 27 games last season.

DA has averaged missing 21 games each season.

It's actually 18 (there were only 72 games in '20-'21). And if you don't count the suspension (which has nothing to do with an injury conversation), then it's 12 games per season.

KD has missed an average of 35 games per season over those same 4 previous seasons, and over 45 games per season the last 3 seasons.

I really do not care about regular season availability.

I’m not impressed by Mikal playing all 82. I think Monty’s an idiot for that.

I care about postseason availability and performance

[TOO]

Don’t get me wrong, if we get KD and then swap DA for Turner in our lineup that’s a win to me.

But let’s not pretend like it’s not a sizable downgrade in talent and potential at that position going forward.

I wouldn't say it's sizeable, it's a downgrade in terms of upside yes, but it's a position that unless you have an MVP candidate you can get by with just being decent. Defense, shooting and rim pressure are the way of league. Myles Turner is a more than serviceable big who is still just entering his prime, getting him to replace Ayton in a S&T is probably about as close to a wash as you can expect.

[JeremyG]

Gambo has said more than once that the Suns are not interested in getting an expiring contract (such as Turner) in exchange for Ayton.

[Superbone]

Let's consider KD falls through and this turns in to something like Myles Turner for DA...there's a lot comparable here, except...

DA scores a little more than Turner...
Myles is a better defender...

So, here's the be question for thought... the defense has to come from the player...Turner seems to have that. However...my point...any chance Myles scoring comes up being fed by CP, and we end up net better off in that swap? For the stat nerds, how well did Myles do vs Giannis as compared to our current roster?

VT

Myles Turner is not better at defense than DA. You’re reading blocks per game. Stats don’t equal overall ability otherwise Kelly Oubre would be DPOY

Aw... Saucy still has a soft spot for Kelly Oubre.

[Superbone]

I believe this. Four is too many if they are also including assets like Ayton and Cam Johnson. Those two are worth 4 late first round picks by themselves.

How many picks would you trade if you knew you were getting one of the best 5 basketball players on the planet?

It doesn’t matter how many you would, it matters what the market is. Gobert fetched hot garbage and 4 picks.

We’re looking at a 34 year old player who’s got a few years left and has made it known he wants Phx. He’s driven away others. We don’t have to offer the farm and the animals living in it. Can be one or the other as set by past deals.

It's true that he will be 34 when the season starts. At least we know that left knee made it through a season. Anybody know how many games he missed last season?

KD missed 27 games last season.

Ugh.

[specialsauce]

Don’t get me wrong, if we get KD and then swap DA for Turner in our lineup that’s a win to me.

But let’s not pretend like it’s not a sizable downgrade in talent and potential at that position going forward.

I wouldn't say it's sizeable, it's a downgrade in terms of upside yes, but it's a position that unless you have an MVP candidate you can get by with just being decent. Defense, shooting and rim pressure are the way of league. Myles Turner is a more than serviceable big who is still just entering his prime, getting him to replace Ayton in a S&T is probably about as close to a wash as you can expect.

It’s a complete downgrade. Let’s not say they’re “comparable.” They’re not.

Now it’s probably the best of the downgrades available, but let’s not just say they’re “comparable.” That’s insulting to DA.

[Split T]

Don’t get me wrong, if we get KD and then swap DA for Turner in our lineup that’s a win to me.

But let’s not pretend like it’s not a sizable downgrade in talent and potential at that position going forward.

It’s a downgrade, I just don’t think it’ll be that noticeable. Where we’d see it the most is probably on the glass and when we play a physical post presence like Jokic. I think Turner could get bullied a bit.

I’m not sure who’s truly the better rim protector, Turner obviously blocks a lot more shots, but Ayton still does a fantastic job making it difficult to score at the rim. I’d have to look closer at that. Can’t say I know how Turner is in space either. Ayton is pretty good when he’s locked in, but that comes and goes.

Offensively I’m not sure we’d see much of a drop off. Turner is a better floor spacer and while I don’t think we’ll see Ayton level efficiency closer in, I think playing with CP3 would do wonders for Turner. So would being the only big, he had to share the paint with Sabonis, now he’d have it to himself.

Ultimately I think it would be hard to tell the difference looking at a box score. Ayton would probably be 17/10 with a .650 TS and Turner would drop 16/8 on a .635 TS. Both would play borderline All-NBA defense, just maybe with different strengths.