Suns bought by Mat Ishbia…Sarver is Gone!!!
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So we may still be stuck with some of the same horrible minority owners who are buddies with Sarver and defended him?
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So the new guys paid around $2B to Sarver and some minority owners?
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Uhhh... what?
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Re: Suns bought by Mat Ishbia…Sarver is Gone!!!
Isaiah Thomas sits on the board of his mortgage company, too. But definitely an improvement over Sarver.
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Presti would be a monumental coup. Might be one of the very best, if not THE BEST GMs in the league.
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Presti has a long track record, but I think he's fairly overrated in recent years.
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Of course the stuff that happened when he was running the Knicks was ugly, but I think it's unfair to Thomas to compare him to Sarver now.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:27 pmIsaiah Thomas sits on the board of his mortgage company, too. But definitely an improvement over Sarver.
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I don't get that. OKC is chock full of picks and flexibility and has a franchise talent coming into his own and Chet collecting dust on the bench. I'd trade Jones in for Presti ALL DAY.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:32 pmPresti has a long track record, but I think he's fairly overrated in recent years.
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I mean, he's been great if you want to pick in the lottery every year.TOO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:50 pmI don't get that. OKC is chock full of picks and flexibility and has a franchise talent coming into his own and Chet collecting dust on the bench. I'd trade Jones in for Presti ALL DAY.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:32 pmPresti has a long track record, but I think he's fairly overrated in recent years.
For the record, I'm not at all saying he's bad at his job. I just don't give him credit for tanking and making draft picks.
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What about on Sunday?TOO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:50 pmI don't get that. OKC is chock full of picks and flexibility and has a franchise talent coming into his own and Chet collecting dust on the bench. I'd trade Jones in for Presti ALL DAY.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:32 pmPresti has a long track record, but I think he's fairly overrated in recent years.
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Re: Suns bought by Mat Ishbia…Sarver is Gone!!!
They've got twice as many playoff wins as the Suns since he took over in OKC.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:51 pmI mean, he's been great if you want to pick in the lottery every year.TOO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:50 pmI don't get that. OKC is chock full of picks and flexibility and has a franchise talent coming into his own and Chet collecting dust on the bench. I'd trade Jones in for Presti ALL DAY.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:32 pmPresti has a long track record, but I think he's fairly overrated in recent years.
For the record, I'm not at all saying he's bad at his job. I just don't give him credit for tanking and making draft picks.
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Sundays are for football.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:06 pmWhat about on Sunday?TOO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:50 pmI don't get that. OKC is chock full of picks and flexibility and has a franchise talent coming into his own and Chet collecting dust on the bench. I'd trade Jones in for Presti ALL DAY.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:32 pmPresti has a long track record, but I think he's fairly overrated in recent years.
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Re: Suns bought by Mat Ishbia…Sarver is Gone!!!
How long has he been GM there and how long has James Jones been GM here?TOO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:17 pmThey've got twice as many playoff wins as the Suns since he took over in OKC.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:51 pmI mean, he's been great if you want to pick in the lottery every year.TOO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:50 pmI don't get that. OKC is chock full of picks and flexibility and has a franchise talent coming into his own and Chet collecting dust on the bench. I'd trade Jones in for Presti ALL DAY.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:32 pmPresti has a long track record, but I think he's fairly overrated in recent years.
For the record, I'm not at all saying he's bad at his job. I just don't give him credit for tanking and making draft picks.
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TOO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:17 pmThey've got twice as many playoff wins as the Suns since he took over in OKC.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:51 pmI mean, he's been great if you want to pick in the lottery every year.TOO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:50 pmI don't get that. OKC is chock full of picks and flexibility and has a franchise talent coming into his own and Chet collecting dust on the bench. I'd trade Jones in for Presti ALL DAY.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:32 pmPresti has a long track record, but I think he's fairly overrated in recent years.
For the record, I'm not at all saying he's bad at his job. I just don't give him credit for tanking and making draft picks.

Interesting that you chose to not make that comparison while James Jones has been GM of the Suns. Jones is a head 20-4, FYI.
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Yep OKC is rebuilding. Jones is still employed because Presti worked with him on Paul.
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Wait, so Presti made a sweetheart deal for Jones and that's somehow evidence of Presti being better as a GM?
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The thing that's ultimately held Presti back, imo, is that the Thunder are a pretty cheap franchise and not a great location. He's done great in the situation he's at. They would have won a title if they stayed in Seattle, imo. He's a very good talent evaluator, regardless of draft position.
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That's a fair take. We don't know how much the ownership has pressured him to limit spending. Trading James Harden is still an NBA all-time terrible deal made by Presti.
I just have a problem with the assumption that he's automatically an upgrade when he's also never put together a title team and has benefited from the meta GM tanking crap of the last decade.
I just have a problem with the assumption that he's automatically an upgrade when he's also never put together a title team and has benefited from the meta GM tanking crap of the last decade.
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A Jones-Presti brain trust would be phenomenal as long as they didn't start butting heads. Indeed, I wonder if the bump Jones received was made specifically for this purpose, to get Jones focused more on building culture while Presti comes in and does the talent evaluations. Both sign off on deals.