Game Day: Suns (20-15) @ Wizards (14-21), Wed 12/28/22

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Re: Game Day: Suns (20-15) @ Wizards (14-21), Wed 12/28/22

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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:17 pm
Nice little showcase by Rui. Still wouldn’t be excited to acquire him for Crowder.
Kuzma on the other hand…
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Shabazz wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:17 pm
Split T wrote:
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Shabazz wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:43 pm
We lost this one with the atrocious end to the 3rd quarter where it seems like we passed their team the ball on 8 consecutive possessions to go from down 1 to down 13.

Our end of the quarter lineup was Lee, Okogie, Landale, Ish and Washington - three minimum guys and two 2-way guys. That’s on Monty for not doing a better job staggering the starters and Jones for leaving the cupboard so bare.
Well we only have 3 starters currently, so kinda hard to stagger them, but I agree about the bare cupboard
It’s not hard at all to stagger 3 players so one is on the court at all times.
Sure, but then you’re stretching the lineups pretty thin. You’d have mostly lineups with 1 and 2 starters and no 3 starter lineups. Not sure that’s what you want either

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Re: Game Day: Suns (20-15) @ Wizards (14-21), Wed 12/28/22

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Deni Avdija is the second coming of Dragan Bender. Not impressed.

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Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:22 pm
Deni Avdija is the second coming of Dragan Bender. Not impressed.
Bender wasn’t even an nba player…You can not be a fan of Avdija, but he’s much better than Bender ever was.

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Split T wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:28 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:22 pm
Deni Avdija is the second coming of Dragan Bender. Not impressed.
Bender wasn’t even an nba player…You can not be a fan of Avdija, but he’s much better than Bender ever was.
Debatable. The kings of putting up minimal stats in heavy minutes. They just don’t do anything that well. “Defense”

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Avdija is 11/7/4 per-36 this year. You’re right that’s not a lot, mainly the shooting needs to improve, but the skills are there. He’s got a .524 TS%, his career best is .536.

Bender was 10/8/2 per-36 in his best year here. His TS% was .521. Bender was just super passive and I never saw him as a good defensive player. He had some potential, but Avdija is much better on that end imo. So to me, Avdija is a better athlete(Bender was always so awkward to me), more skilled as a playmaker, and a better defender.

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Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:38 pm
Avdija is 11/7/4 per-36 this year. You’re right that’s not a lot, mainly the shooting needs to improve, but the skills are there. He’s got a .524 TS%, his career best is .536.

Bender was 10/8/2 per-36 in his best year here. His TS% was .521. Bender was just super passive and I never saw him as a good defensive player. He had some potential, but Avdija is much better on that end imo. So to me, Avdija is a better athlete(Bender was always so awkward to me), more skilled as a playmaker, and a better defender.
Those stats are almost literally the same dude. Come on lol.

This dude is passive too.

Bender averaged 9 FGA per 36 min in his career. Avdija 9.9.

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I don't really care about anything else about these games except Ayton's progression. Nothing else except the emergence of previously untapped playmaking talent from Bridges will make a difference long-term.

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specialsauce wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:22 pm
Deni Avdija is the second coming of Dragan Bender. Not impressed.
Never understood what people see in Deni. He's smart but he doesn't really have an NBA body or ability. Probably make a good coach some day.
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Paging James Jones.
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specialsauce wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:47 pm
Split T wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:38 pm
Avdija is 11/7/4 per-36 this year. You’re right that’s not a lot, mainly the shooting needs to improve, but the skills are there. He’s got a .524 TS%, his career best is .536.

Bender was 10/8/2 per-36 in his best year here. His TS% was .521. Bender was just super passive and I never saw him as a good defensive player. He had some potential, but Avdija is much better on that end imo. So to me, Avdija is a better athlete(Bender was always so awkward to me), more skilled as a playmaker, and a better defender.
Those stats are almost literally the same dude. Come on lol.

This dude is passive too.

Bender averaged 9 FGA per 36 min in his career. Avdija 9.9.

It’s the Spider-Man pointing at himself meme
I think the playmaking is significant. So is the defense. He’s going to need to shoot to be playable as a rotation guy but he’s got some peripheral stuff. Bender didn’t have anything. He was really tall, but there wasn’t anything he did well on the court. He was theoretically a good shooter, but that didn’t show up on the court. We never saw the playmaking he showcased in Europe. His defense also wasn’t good. He couldn’t defend the perimeter and was too weak to hold up in the paint. Avdija can defend and he’s shown an ability to playmake.

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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:17 pm
Nice little showcase by Rui. Still wouldn’t be excited to acquire him for Crowder.
Yeah, it would have sucked to have him on our team tonight.

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Glad to see DominAYTON show up tonight.

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INFORMER wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:24 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:17 pm
Nice little showcase by Rui. Still wouldn’t be excited to acquire him for Crowder.
Yeah, it would have sucked to have him on our team tonight.
He's fine, but there'd be a non-zero chance he wouldn't play in a playoff game. Is a win in December really worth that risk?
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:30 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:24 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:17 pm
Nice little showcase by Rui. Still wouldn’t be excited to acquire him for Crowder.
Yeah, it would have sucked to have him on our team tonight.
He's fine, but there'd be a non-zero chance he wouldn't play in a playoff game. Is a win in December really worth that risk?
What?

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I haven’t seen enough from Rui to trust him in the playoffs. I’d rather not trade Crowder for that type of player.
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INFORMER wrote:
Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:25 pm
Glad to see DominAYTON show up tonight.
Need to see what he did or didn't do, but at some point, a 30 point game is a 30 point game.

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I mean we gave playoff minutes to Landry Shamet...

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Re: Game Day: Suns (20-15) @ Wizards (14-21), Wed 12/28/22

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One step forward, one step back. This team is just snakebitten this year. We can't string together any wins with Booker out. I feel like we're going to drop into play-in territory real fast.

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Re: Game Day: Suns (20-15) @ Wizards (14-21), Wed 12/28/22

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We’re already only a half game out of play-in territory. We could be there Friday

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