TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson

[Kryptonic]

It’s pretty impressive how pessimistic you can be about just about everyone

Jeremy was in Denial most of the summer. Anger might take a while to get past, too.

I'd argue the denial stretches back 2 years, but I digress.

[JeremyG]

but he's a SUNS fan guys!

If you were a Suns fan, you would be pissed too when the owner makes another money-saving move to make the team worse when we're trying to win a championship.

[Kryptonic]

but he's a SUNS fan guys!

If you were a Suns fan, you would be pissed too when the owner makes another money-saving move to make the team worse when we're trying to win a championship.

Sure bud... keep telling yourself it was the money saving move.

[JeremyG]

It’s pretty impressive how pessimistic you can be about just about everyone

I was optimistic about Ishbia until he started making money-saving moves like he's Robert Sarver. At least Sarver was willing to pay up to $100M in luxury taxes in order to win a title. Doesn't look like Ishbia is willing to get close to that.

[The Bobster]

Trying to decide if this will be more like.....

....the Armon Gilliam/Kurt Rambis trade (one underachiever for a better-fitting part)
....the Larry Nance/Kevin Johnson trade (one star player for a bunch of valuable parts)
....the Dennis Johnson/Rick Robey trade (selling low and being very disappointed in the long run)

[Kryptonic]

It’s pretty impressive how pessimistic you can be about just about everyone

I was optimistic about Ishbia until he started making money-saving moves like he's Robert Sarver. At least Sarver was willing to pay up to $100M in luxury taxes in order to win a title. Doesn't look like Ishbia is willing to get close to that.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/

4th in the league in spending… not sure how updated this but yea, ishbia is a total cheap ass. Great point.

[BKinSJC]

Trying to decide if this will be more like.....

....the Armon Gilliam/Kurt Rambis trade (one underachiever for a better-fitting part)
....the Larry Nance/Kevin Johnson trade (one star player for a bunch of valuable parts)
....the Dennis Johnson/Rick Robey trade (selling low and being very disappointed in the long run)

Gilliam would seem to be the best fit - a guy who underachieved his draft position and didn't work for what the team was trying to accomplish at the time, for a useful role player that contributed to a winning situation. But in this case, the Suns are also add a solid 7th-8th guy and a youngster with some potential on a good contract.

Nance was a better player than Ayton, but the team also got back some genuine star quality in that trade. I guess it's (just barely) possible that Little is an All-NBA level guy waiting to break out, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

DJ, again, was a better player than Ayton - Finals MVP, All-NBA multiple times, regarded as probably the best backcourt defender in the league. He was somewhat disillusioned (same thing that had happened in Seattle), and the Suns were desperate to try to acquire a viable big man. Larceny ensued.

[Shabazz]

Yep…With Allen, Little, and 1 other minimum deal we can basically trade for anyone under 20 million.

We also have a new 6.6 million TPE

From what I saw the TPE is only $1.1M. That's basically useless.

We got two TPE…one is 1.1, but the other is 6.6.

Can you share a link? Not that I don't believe you. I just haven't seen that anywhere.

[bajanguy008]

I stop checking him cause he would always be off with his Suns news

[Superbone]

Trying to decide if this will be more like.....

....the Armon Gilliam/Kurt Rambis trade (one underachiever for a better-fitting part)
....the Larry Nance/Kevin Johnson trade (one star player for a bunch of valuable parts)
....the Dennis Johnson/Rick Robey trade (selling low and being very disappointed in the long run)

Fingers crossed for 1 & 2.

[JeremyG]

but he's a SUNS fan guys!

If you were a Suns fan, you would be pissed too when the owner makes another money-saving move to make the team worse when we're trying to win a championship.

Sure bud... keep telling yourself it was the money saving move.

I’m still trying to figure out the logic in your original statement. If I won’t cheer a trade that makes our team worse, then I’m not a Suns fan. Unbelievable.

Is this supposed to be a cult or something? If you don’t cheer on the decisions that the leadership makes, then you’re not a fan?

[JeremyG]

It’s amazing, just looking at the comments on the Suns’ Instagram, what this team did to the fanbase. Everyone was excited for this season, perhaps more than any before, and for many (most?) fans that excitement has now been decimated. Now fans are more disgusted, disappointed, and depressed instead. What a way to start off a season.

[JeremyG]

It’s pretty impressive how pessimistic you can be about just about everyone

It's fucking hilarious. If it's not Ayton or an old potato it sucks.

What the hell did Al McCoy ever do to you, to deserve being called “an old potato”?

[MightyMoog]

For me, it’s more about it being a completely new team. It’s hard to get excited about rooting for a bunch of players we hardly know. Ayton was frustrating, but it’s the devil we knew.

But he was going to keep us from winning a championship.
It’s basic math.

No team has won a championship with a player on a max contract that wasn’t at least an all star. The only one would be Jamal Murray last year, but he will have a few before nods before too long. Not sure Ayton will ever be an all star. At least hasn’t shown enough to even begin entertaining the idea.

[TOO]

It’s amazing, just looking at the comments on the Suns’ Instagram, what this team did to the fanbase. Everyone was excited for this season, perhaps more than any before, and for many (most?) fans that excitement has now been decimated. Now fans are more disgusted, disappointed, and depressed instead. What a way to start off a season.

A lot of fans have emotional attachments to players, which it seems many Ayton supporters share. All these "disgusted" fans will be just fine when the Suns are in the playoffs while Ayton is off chasing adult entertainment after the season ends.

[Split T]

Yep…With Allen, Little, and 1 other minimum deal we can basically trade for anyone under 20 million.

We also have a new 6.6 million TPE

From what I saw the TPE is only $1.1M. That's basically useless.

We got two TPE…one is 1.1, but the other is 6.6.

Can you share a link? Not that I don't believe you. I just haven't seen that anywhere.

[Split T]

It’s pretty impressive how pessimistic you can be about just about everyone

I was optimistic about Ishbia until he started making money-saving moves like he's Robert Sarver. At least Sarver was willing to pay up to $100M in luxury taxes in order to win a title. Doesn't look like Ishbia is willing to get close to that.

Sarver didn’t pay a single dollar in luxury taxes over the last decade. Ishbia will be over 50 million in tax payments his first two years. Just because Sarver said he’d pay 100 million doesn’t mean anything. He never actually did.

Our tax bill actually went up with this trade…and yes they now have less committed money next season, but that means nothing. They could trade Allen for a long term deal or re-sign him to a bigger contract. It’s true they could also let him expire and just take the savings, but that hasn’t happened yet. If they do, you can call that a cost cutting move. The trade itself was not one.

He’s done so many other things to increase spending, I don’t know why you’re stuck on him cutting costs because of a couple fringe moves. Even Steve Ballmer wouldn’t spend 120 million on Eric Gordon. I don’t blame Ishbia for saving 40 million by salary dumping Saric and Payne. Those weren’t super important players…though Saric admittedly could have maybe been useful.

[iLLmatic]

It’s pretty impressive how pessimistic you can be about just about everyone

It's fucking hilarious. If it's not Ayton or an old potato it sucks.

What the hell did Al McCoy ever do to you, to deserve being called “an old potato”?

Serious question. How old are you?

[iLLmatic]

It’s amazing, just looking at the comments on the Suns’ Instagram, what this team did to the fanbase. Everyone was excited for this season, perhaps more than any before, and for many (most?) fans that excitement has now been decimated. Now fans are more disgusted, disappointed, and depressed instead. What a way to start off a season.

Sounds like it's time for you to find a new forum.

[AmareIsGod]

It’s pretty impressive how pessimistic you can be about just about everyone

I was optimistic about Ishbia until he started making money-saving moves like he's Robert Sarver. At least Sarver was willing to pay up to $100M in luxury taxes in order to win a title. Doesn't look like Ishbia is willing to get close to that.

Sarver didn’t pay a single dollar in luxury taxes over the last decade. Ishbia will be over 50 million in tax payments his first two years. Just because Sarver said he’d pay 100 million doesn’t mean anything. He never actually did.

Our tax bill actually went up with this trade…and yes they now have less committed money next season, but that means nothing. They could trade Allen for a long term deal or re-sign him to a bigger contract. It’s true they could also let him expire and just take the savings, but that hasn’t happened yet. If they do, you can call that a cost cutting move. The trade itself was not one.

He’s done so many other things to increase spending, I don’t know why you’re stuck on him cutting costs because of a couple fringe moves. Even Steve Ballmer wouldn’t spend 120 million on Eric Gordon. I don’t blame Ishbia for saving 40 million by salary dumping Saric and Payne. Those weren’t super important players…though Saric admittedly could have maybe been useful.

Yeah I have absolutely no idea what Jeremy is going on about here. Ishbia not only is spending well above the luxury tax but he also got a television deal that allows any fan in the state to watch the game on TV and got rid of regional sports bullshit, sent fans free antennas, brought back a D league team. Hearing this made up love for Sarver makes no sense. Never spent $100 million over the tax. The guy was always pinching pennies. I can't believe he's even arguing that Ishbia is some sort of cost cutting owner LOL.