Immigration

[In2ition]

Undocumented Immigrants Have Right to Own Guns, Judge Rules
Published Mar 19, 2024 at 10:33 AM EDT
Updated Mar 19, 2024 at 3:35 PM EDT
By Nick Mordowanec
Staff Writer
https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-i ... es-1880806

How does this make any sense? Seems insane to me. It's not just undocumented, it's illegal immigrants, who broke the law coming here, along with a criminal record.

It does not make sense as most of the current gun laws don't.

Obama appointed judge. Probably against guns in general, but then rules this way makes zero sense to me, and probably most people, imo.

[Superbone]

Undocumented Immigrants Have Right to Own Guns, Judge Rules
Published Mar 19, 2024 at 10:33 AM EDT
Updated Mar 19, 2024 at 3:35 PM EDT
By Nick Mordowanec
Staff Writer
https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-i ... es-1880806

How does this make any sense? Seems insane to me. It's not just undocumented, it's illegal immigrants, who broke the law coming here, along with a criminal record.

It does not make sense as most of the current gun laws don't.

Obama appointed judge. Probably against guns in general, but then rules this way makes zero sense to me, and probably most people, imo.

From a distance, I'd guess the NRA is involved. They want EVERYBODY to buy guns.

[In2ition]

Undocumented Immigrants Have Right to Own Guns, Judge Rules
Published Mar 19, 2024 at 10:33 AM EDT
Updated Mar 19, 2024 at 3:35 PM EDT
By Nick Mordowanec
Staff Writer
https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-i ... es-1880806

How does this make any sense? Seems insane to me. It's not just undocumented, it's illegal immigrants, who broke the law coming here, along with a criminal record.

It does not make sense as most of the current gun laws don't.

Obama appointed judge. Probably against guns in general, but then rules this way makes zero sense to me, and probably most people, imo.

From a distance, I'd guess the NRA is involved. They want EVERYBODY to buy guns.

You think the NRA is on bed with this Obama judge? That's hilarious
They don't advocate for felons or children to buy guns, so it's silly to think that.

[Superbone]

Undocumented Immigrants Have Right to Own Guns, Judge Rules
Published Mar 19, 2024 at 10:33 AM EDT
Updated Mar 19, 2024 at 3:35 PM EDT
By Nick Mordowanec
Staff Writer
https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-i ... es-1880806

How does this make any sense? Seems insane to me. It's not just undocumented, it's illegal immigrants, who broke the law coming here, along with a criminal record.

It does not make sense as most of the current gun laws don't.

Obama appointed judge. Probably against guns in general, but then rules this way makes zero sense to me, and probably most people, imo.

From a distance, I'd guess the NRA is involved. They want EVERYBODY to buy guns.

You think the NRA is on bed with this Obama judge? That's hilarious
They don't advocate for felons or children to buy guns, so it's silly to think that.

I’d be surprised if they don’t. No gun sale is a bad sale if you’re the NRA. They’re pretty much without scruples.

[Mori Chu]

2nd Amendment uber alles.

[In2ition]

2nd Amendment uber alles.

So you agree with the ruling by this judge?

[In2ition]

This needs context.


Here is the context that came out yesterday.

[Split T]

I’ve seen a few of these squatters rights laws and I’d love to hear the rationale behind them…I can’t say I’m fully informed but on the surface they seem ridiculous.

[In2ition]

I’ve seen a few of these squatters rights laws and I’d love to hear the rationale behind them…I can’t say I’m fully informed but on the surface they seem ridiculous.

I think in some cases they are humane. If a home is not lived in, it can easily deteriorate. If a squatter happens to find the home unoccupied and makes improvements and fixes, it can be argued that they are helping and not hurting. Then you can't just throw them out and change the locks so that they are homeless. In this woman's case, she is trying to sell the home, and isn't relying on the house for herself. If she's let it stand empty, then she's just going to have to wait as it goes through the courts. If she had just received the house, and hasn't let it sit, then the squatters would have to move on and move out. It looked like one of the squatters claimed to have done work to the home, by order of the homeowner and wasn't paid. I'm not sure that he was all that reliable though.

In the case of the immigrants, this would be helpful and probably encouraged by the government if the immigrants knew these laws and immediately occupied the homes. It seems like the homeowners would need to stay involved in these empty homes and/or give them up quickly. They shouldn't just sit on them, while they progressively get worse.

I don't know all the laws involved though.

[Superbone]

Wouldn't it make it tougher to sell your house if when showing it, if squatters lived there? Or, is there some gray area if they haven't started showing it yet?

[In2ition]

You would think.

I think they would have to clear them out first. I mean, how accommadating would a squatter be to people coming to see the house as a potential buyer?

[TOO]

Had multiple incidents with people trying to squat in sold houses when we finished building them but before handing the keys over. They don't put up much resistance when 20 people show up to "help" you get the fuck out.

[In2ition]

My boss lives in SC, and she has an open house right across the street, that's a mansion as the owner was taken to an old folks home. No heirs, from my understanding. Prime squatter situation.

[Superbone]

Weird.

[Mori Chu]

I doubt this is common.

[In2ition]

I doubt this is common.

I don't think it's common either. I wonder if it would have been better to have squatters take over the homes in Detroit, instead of letting them essentially fall down?

[Nodack]

I would be pissed if someone tried that. I would be like, This is my house and they say you can stay on as a tenant even though there is no contract signed and you pay nothing? Well I live her too an I really like death metal at high volumes so, I am going to play death metal at excruciating volumes 24/7. I hope you don’t mind…

[In2ition]

If you actually lived there, they wouldn't be squatters and have squatter's rights. Feels like playing death metal at excruciating volumes 24/7 hurts you as much as them, unless you are deaf.

[Nodack]

I would move in. My house. I’m half deaf already and own a really nice pair of sound blocking headphones. I would probably get arrested for breaking and entering.

[In2ition]

Probably not arrested for breaking and entering, since you own it. I think the rule is that you would get arrested if you changed the locks and locked the squatters out. If anyone knows all the laws regarding squatters, please interject.