Then I think we just stand pat with Vogel. Though I'd love to have given Monty a shot with this team.Superbone wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 8:54 amAnd in Lue of?wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 8:18 amI honestly think we're waiting to see if Lue becomes available.
2024 Suns General Offseason News
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That's my feeling as well. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place because we probably want/need to fire Vogel but there's no one else clearly better. The longer this goes the more awkward/obvious it becomes. If Vogel were our guy, we'd say so by now. I hope we're not so obvious that If Lue doesn't become available, we just retool the assistants around Vogel and act like that was the plan.wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 8:18 amI honestly think we're waiting to see if Lue becomes available.
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We shouldn't Ty our hands waiting for him. Ishbia should be more Vogel about talking to coaching candidates he's interested in. No Buds about it. We need to be Redick to pounce the moment somebody comes available.Superbone wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 8:54 amAnd in Lue of?wpmiller42 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 8:18 amI honestly think we're waiting to see if Lue becomes available.
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Vogel isn't a bad guy but he doesn't seem to be the type to demand excellence from his team. Maybe a second in command with that ability will help. You've heard of good cop, bad cop before, right?
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
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Actually I don’t think I’ve heard of good cop, bad cop on NBA coaching staffs. Can you give me some examples?
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I wasn't thinking of specific NBA coaching staffs. Just the general concept. Maybe we'll make NBA history! There's a first for everything, right?
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
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Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
"Cool is getting us blown out!"
-Shaheen Holloway
"Cool is getting us blown out!"
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I'd be happy to bring in Lue or Bud. Bud's not Greg Popovic, but I think he knows how to run a team with 7 perimeter players.
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They have to fire him. Why even keep Vogel on if you're going to force him to completely replace his coaching staff, which would completely undermine and emasculate him?
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What realistic moves would people make if they’re Ishbia and Jones this offseason?
Fire Vogel…
Fire Vogel…
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That's a Sarver move.
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I think Ishbia has to consider firing Jones, too. I think we start hearing rumors that Jones in on the hot seat after the draft.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:23 pmWhat realistic moves would people make if they’re Ishbia and Jones this offseason?
Fire Vogel…
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I have a few players who I would target to fill one spot (not my complete list of moves):
Trendon Watford— a 4/5 who is young, tough, big, has upside can defend, and put the ball on the deck, and hit an open shot. He’s not going to get a bunch of offers and we could offer him a pretty decent role taking Eubanks minutes plus some at the 4.
It might sound defeatist but I’d trade our first rounder to get Toumani back. Blazers could feel like they fleeced us and we can get back a sure thing. They’re mgt is always in chaos, they might pull the trigger.
If Kevin Love was into it, I’d sign him due to his leadership, rebounding, and desire to win.
Trendon Watford— a 4/5 who is young, tough, big, has upside can defend, and put the ball on the deck, and hit an open shot. He’s not going to get a bunch of offers and we could offer him a pretty decent role taking Eubanks minutes plus some at the 4.
It might sound defeatist but I’d trade our first rounder to get Toumani back. Blazers could feel like they fleeced us and we can get back a sure thing. They’re mgt is always in chaos, they might pull the trigger.
If Kevin Love was into it, I’d sign him due to his leadership, rebounding, and desire to win.
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Hey remember how Flex said we'd get news on Vogel "Monday or Tuesday"? LMAO. Full of shit.
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No, he said today or tomorrow. Today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow. We'll check back in tomorrow which will then be today.
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
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He talks absolute nonsense most of the time. He started talking up our chances towards the end of the season by saying we were built for the playoffs rather than the regular season. Another ridiculous take.
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I'd fire Jones before Vogel personally. People can blame Vogel but Jones put that car crash of a roster together and hired a coach who's skillset required a weighting towards more defensive minded players.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:33 pmI think Ishbia has to consider firing Jones, too. I think we start hearing rumors that Jones in on the hot seat after the draft.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:23 pmWhat realistic moves would people make if they’re Ishbia and Jones this offseason?
Fire Vogel…
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