Sarver made many mistakes. Then when he was talked into going the draft route, he hired one of the worst draft guys ever. Jones isn't and doesn't claim to be a draft guy. He is also a bad evaluator of talent. They really need someone that knows what they are doing in all aspects of how to build a franchise.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 11:32 amWhat’s insane is that we already tried that route, before the McDonough era, when Sarver would ridicule the draft and rebuilding. Then McDonough just drafted a collection of parts instead of building a team (although the Booker/Ayton/Bridges trio did start playing well together after he left). Then Jones comes in and focuses on building an actual team, but doesn’t like the draft very much. Then we have Ishbia come in and tear the team apart, with his philosophy of “team-building and draft be damned”!In2ition wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:28 amIt's obvious that they don't think they can be trusted to make a good pick in the draft. They've decided to ridicule the draft, including getting the local media types to back that theory that the draft is a complete crap shoot, and they've punted on the whole process.
2024 Suns Offseason: Where do we go from here?
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Yes, I’ve definitely embraced his 8 & 8 playoff averages with 46% FT shooting.Superbone wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 11:45 amI'm just glad to see that you've embraced the big fella on this team every time I see you post.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 11:32 amWhat’s insane is that we already tried that route, before the McDonough era, when Sarver would ridicule the draft and rebuilding. Then McDonough just drafted a collection of parts instead of building a team (although the Booker/Ayton/Bridges trio did start playing well together after he left). Then Jones comes in and focuses on building an actual team, but doesn’t like the draft very much. Then we have Ishbia come in and tear the team apart, with his philosophy of “team-building and draft be damned”!In2ition wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:28 amIt's obvious that they don't think they can be trusted to make a good pick in the draft. They've decided to ridicule the draft, including getting the local media types to back that theory that the draft is a complete crap shoot, and they've punted on the whole process.
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You don't have to explain yourself.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 12:00 pmYes, I’ve definitely embraced his 8 & 8 playoff averages with 46% FT shooting.Superbone wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 11:45 amI'm just glad to see that you've embraced the big fella on this team every time I see you post.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 11:32 amWhat’s insane is that we already tried that route, before the McDonough era, when Sarver would ridicule the draft and rebuilding. Then McDonough just drafted a collection of parts instead of building a team (although the Booker/Ayton/Bridges trio did start playing well together after he left). Then Jones comes in and focuses on building an actual team, but doesn’t like the draft very much. Then we have Ishbia come in and tear the team apart, with his philosophy of “team-building and draft be damned”!In2ition wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:28 amIt's obvious that they don't think they can be trusted to make a good pick in the draft. They've decided to ridicule the draft, including getting the local media types to back that theory that the draft is a complete crap shoot, and they've punted on the whole process.
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Lol
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It’s funny but I’m not really sure how this is Jones fault. Ishbia clearly came in and strong-armed our front office on that Durant deal. And now he’s going to strong arm the front office on selling our draft pick this year also. 3 coaches in 3 years has his finger prints all over it too.
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3 coaches in the last 363 days to be exact.
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I think we'll also look at Spencer Dinwiddie and Russell Westbrook.
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I still think it is mindboggling. I get (to a certain extent) trying to make room for a superstar like Beal, but returning to a strategy that was used when this franchise was at its lowest while simultaneously playing your best player out of position is just clownish.
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All this "seventh grader" rhetoric makes me want to vomit. It makes them sound so clueless.In2ition wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:28 amIt's obvious that they don't think they can be trusted to make a good pick in the draft. They've decided to ridicule the draft, including getting the local media types to back that theory that the draft is a complete crap shoot, and they've punted on the whole process.
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Is Dinwiddie going to be one of those guys we all wanted for most of his career only to get him on the downside?
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Well, that's the bargain bin they're shopping in now.
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Dinwiddie i better than most of the bantha fodder we had on our bench this year. We probably can't even get him because he'd have to take a minimum contract.
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I think he is definitely attainable at the vet min. He wasn't good for the Lakers; I don't think he is going to have many suitors willing to give him more than the minimum.
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Dinwiddie might be worth a punt but bringing Westbrook here just screams of desperation at this point in his career.
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Who wants to see Bol back? Did we see enough potential this year to convince us he's worth another look. I'd probably say yes and I think it'd be interesting to see how Bud would utilise him.
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YESSunsSince92 wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:36 pmWho wants to see Bol back? Did we see enough potential this year to convince us he's worth another look. I'd probably say yes and I think it'd be interesting to see how Bud would utilise him.
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Rebounding, Rebounding, Rebounding, defense and a give a shit attitude is what we need.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 8:07 amI still think it is mindboggling. I get (to a certain extent) trying to make room for a superstar like Beal, but returning to a strategy that was used when this franchise was at its lowest while simultaneously playing your best player out of position is just clownish.
I think the message is that the BIG 3 are going to be in the starting lineup. Coach Bud reportedly sold Ish on that idea. Coach Bud said he does not need a true point guard.
If that is the case then we need to move Greyson into the 6th man roll and add, someone to play alongside KD in the front court with a nasty attitude, athleticism, a rebounding and defensive menace.
I actually like the Idea of Westbrook, but I think he is going to want big minutes. Unless we move Beal, I do not know where they are going to come from.
A guy like Dinwiddie or Wright would be a welcome addition.
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If he'll take the biggest offer we can make him, (minimum * 1.2), then absolutely we should keep him. He showed a lot of potential last year. I think Bud could get even more out of him.SunsSince92 wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:36 pmWho wants to see Bol back? Did we see enough potential this year to convince us he's worth another look. I'd probably say yes and I think it'd be interesting to see how Bud would utilise him.
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I was skeptical of Bol at first but saw a lot more potential and upside towards the latter part of the season.