Trump 2024

[In2ition]

Are there laws that force people to have electric cars and solar panels?

Yes.

California moves to accelerate to 100% new zero-emission vehicle sales by 2035
CARB approves first-in-nation ZEV regulation that will clean the air, slash climate pollution, and save consumers money
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/california- ... sales-2035

SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board today approved the trailblazing Advanced Clean Cars II rule that sets California on a path to rapidly growing the zero-emission car, pickup truck and SUV market and deliver cleaner air and massive reductions in climate-warming pollution.

The rule establishes a year-by-year roadmap so that by 2035 100% of new cars and light trucks sold in California will be zero-emission vehicles, including plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. The regulation realizes and codifies the light-duty vehicle goals set out in Governor Newsom’s Executive Order N-79-20.

“Once again California is leading the nation and the world with a regulation that sets ambitious but achievable targets for ZEV sales. Rapidly accelerating the number of ZEVs on our roads and highways will deliver substantial emission and pollution reductions to all Californians, especially for those who live near roadways and suffer from persistent air pollution,” said CARB Chair Liane Randolph. “The regulation includes ground-breaking strategies to bring ZEVs to more communities and is supported by the Governor’s ZEV budget which provides incentives to make ZEVs available to the widest number of economic groups in California, including low- and moderate-income consumers.”

Many states and nations have set targets and goals to phase out the sale of internal combustion cars. California’s is the most aggressive regulation to establish a definitive mechanism to meet required zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) sales that ramp up year over year, culminating in 100% ZEV sales in 2035. The timeline is ambitious but achievable: by the time a child born this year is ready to enter middle school, only zero-emission vehicles or a limited number of plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) will be offered for sale new in California. The regulation also includes provisions that enhance equity in the transition to zero-emission vehicles and provides consumers certainty about the long-term emission benefits, quality, and durability of these clean cars and trucks and the batteries they run on.

[Split T]

That doesn’t force them…they can still buy used gas cars or buy from different states…Also doesn’t seem to apply to all cars.

Though that is definitely making it harder to not buy one. Ultimately I think it’s good though. We should be trying to move towards cleaner energy sources. I don’t know that the infrastructure is in place now, but hopefully California is addressing that as well by 2035.

[In2ition]

That doesn’t force them…they can still buy used gas cars or buy from different states…Also doesn’t seem to apply to all cars.

Though that is definitely making it harder to not buy one. Ultimately I think it’s good though. We should be trying to move towards cleaner energy sources. I don’t know that the infrastructure is in place now, but hopefully California is addressing that as well by 2035.

They have built 40,000 charging stations, since 2018, but they need to build 1.2 million by 2035, so they are just 1.16 million short. Heck, as soon as they introduced this bill, they asked EV car owners to not charge their cars at home, because of the load on the system.

I'm not against cleaner energy sources, but EVs, although cleaner for emissions, isn't necessarily cleaner for environment while they have to extract more materials for the batteries and the batteries aren't exactly recyclable. Also, didn't California ban building more Nuclear power plants awhile ago? I'm curious how they think they are going to power these cars. If they don't have the Nuclear power facilities available to provide the load, they are going to be using hydro and other power plants that rely on burning fossil fuels(which negates the emissions change). There needs to be a better option, and the only option is not exactly helpful for large equipment. On the surface, it looks lovely, but if you look into it a little deeper, it's disasterous.

Why not invest into building hydrogen or the elusive water powered cars?

[Split T]

That’s fair…I haven’t looked too much into it…just like the idea of moving away from gas powered cars

[Nodack]

My EV car is being charged as we speak by solar power I generated at home. A good snow bird friend of mine just drove from Phoenix to Ohio in his Tesla. I have made several trips out of town and always managed to charge up.

In the U.S., there are 2,234 Tesla Supercharger stations with 25,156 Tesla Supercharger ports. Tesla did it all by themselves a long time ago. I think the US will manage to build the charging stations. I have faith that a bunch of money will make it happen.

[TOO]

Yes, everybody buy your giant RC cars, more gas for me.

[Mori Chu]

FL Sheriff says it's time to put a felon in the White House. Seems like maybe he shouldn't take a side publicly? Just my two cents.

[Nodack]

Yes, everybody buy your giant RC cars, more gas for me.

You pay 5 X’s more for per mile for gas than I do charging at home. You need all our EV’s to lower demand for your gas so it’s not so expensive for you.

[TOO]

Yes, everybody buy your giant RC cars, more gas for me.

You pay 5 X’s more for per mile for gas than I do charging at home. You need all our EV’s to lower demand for your gas so it’s not so expensive for you.

I'm in California, y'all could drive a horse and I'd still pay over 5 a gallon.

[Nodack]

$3.76 in Phx today. Not sure why we are so much cheaper. The taxes?

[In2ition]

CA says bend over when you go to the gas station, and before you can fill up.

[Mori Chu]

There isn't all that much gas left inside the planet. Investing in gas-powered cars is unwise; every year the price of gas is going to continue going up up up, until infinity / it runs out. Nobody is going to want a gas car when it is, say, $20 / gallon to fuel it (and much cheaper and easier to fuel electric cars). It's a bit silly that it has become a partisan issue; now that Tesla is basically a Republican company, maybe we can all just buy electric cars next time we need to buy a new car, and be done with it.

[specialsauce]

My EV car is being charged as we speak by solar power I generated at home. A good snow bird friend of mine just drove from Phoenix to Ohio in his Tesla. I have made several trips out of town and always managed to charge up.

In the U.S., there are 2,234 Tesla Supercharger stations with 25,156 Tesla Supercharger ports. Tesla did it all by themselves a long time ago. I think the US will manage to build the charging stations. I have faith that a bunch of money will make it happen.

The good thing is that utility companies and large fuel corporations are totally about the environment and not at all about profits. They definitely won't jack up prices as more EVs hit the road and the population becomes more dependent on the electric grid.

Buying an EV may save money now, but just wait I promise soon there will be bullshit fed by APS, SRP, etc continuing rate hikes and Tesla, EA etc will follow once they have us by the balls.

And I drive an electric

[Kryptonic]

My EV car is being charged as we speak by solar power I generated at home. A good snow bird friend of mine just drove from Phoenix to Ohio in his Tesla. I have made several trips out of town and always managed to charge up.

In the U.S., there are 2,234 Tesla Supercharger stations with 25,156 Tesla Supercharger ports. Tesla did it all by themselves a long time ago. I think the US will manage to build the charging stations. I have faith that a bunch of money will make it happen.

The good thing is that utility companies and large fuel corporations are totally about the environment and not at all about profits. They definitely won't jack up prices as more EVs hit the road and the population becomes more dependent on the electric grid.

Buying an EV may save money now, but just wait I promise soon there will be bullshit fed by APS, SRP, etc continuing rate hikes and Tesla, EA etc will follow once they have us by the balls.

And I drive an electric

Totally agree…. Once I got solar on the old aps deal I was grandfathered into and was saving money it wasn’t long before aps started adjusting buy back rates to make solar less desirable. I still save a great deal of money with solar but it’s not like it was initially.

[Mori Chu]

Good news, guys! Dr. Phil has talked Trump out of seeking retribution against his political enemies.

[Nodack]

Good news, guys! Dr. Phil has talked Trump out of seeking retribution against his political enemies.

Hilarious.

[Nodack]

My EV car is being charged as we speak by solar power I generated at home. A good snow bird friend of mine just drove from Phoenix to Ohio in his Tesla. I have made several trips out of town and always managed to charge up.

In the U.S., there are 2,234 Tesla Supercharger stations with 25,156 Tesla Supercharger ports. Tesla did it all by themselves a long time ago. I think the US will manage to build the charging stations. I have faith that a bunch of money will make it happen.

The good thing is that utility companies and large fuel corporations are totally about the environment and not at all about profits. They definitely won't jack up prices as more EVs hit the road and the population becomes more dependent on the electric grid.

Buying an EV may save money now, but just wait I promise soon there will be bullshit fed by APS, SRP, etc continuing rate hikes and Tesla, EA etc will follow once they have us by the balls.

And I drive an electric

I think you are a little pessimistic.

The Tesla Y was $67k a year and a half ago. A year ago it was $50k. Today it’s 34k. A huge drop in price in a short time. Factor in the $7500 tax credit and you get $26,500. 2k+ savings in gas a year makes the car $16,500 after five years compared to a gas car. That’s pretty economical. What kind of gas car do you get new for $16,500 that compares to a Tesla Model Y? I know the Tesla prices and I haven’t kept up with other car manufacturers that much to know how their prices have gone. A big gripe about electric cars is that they cost too much making them unaffordable except for the rich. That’s not true.

Solar prices have and are coming down. I saw the graphic of US solar production over the past several years and it’s definitely a ramp going up. If solar batteries ever came down in price we wouldn’t have much need for APS or SRP at all. Research in EV batteries has been off the charts and newer, faster, safer, longer lasting batteries are happening all the time. Solar batteries for home use ride the same coattails but have lagged behind in becoming affordable. You can buy enough solar panels and batteries to go off the grid right now but, you wouldn’t be saving any money over just paying the man.

[Mori Chu]

Supposed list of Trump's top VP picks. I still think he picks Stefanik because she's such a kiss-ass. Vance is another one who I hear mentioned a lot. Burgum would be the "Pencey" choice, a respected more moderate person to counterbalance Trump himself; but maybe not "loyal" enough?

[Nodack]

I think I care about Trumps VP pick even less than him. He is playing “The Apprentice” with the VP pick like it was a tv show. I think he loves that shit. Everyone is waiting for his decision like he was choosing the next Pope. Gotta milk that for all it’s worth. The pick must generate votes and be even more loyal than Pence. Must be willing to overthrow the government if Trump asks.

[Superbone]

I think I care about Trumps VP pick even less than him. He is playing “The Apprentice” with the VP pick like it was a tv show. I think he loves that shit. Everyone is waiting for his decision like he was choosing the next Pope. Gotta milk that for all it’s worth. The pick must generate votes and be even more loyal than Pence. Must be willing to overthrow the government if Trump asks.

Yep, everybody must bend over and kiss the ring finger and show their loyalty. He LOVES that shit. Feeds his massive ego.