Suns News: Week 22 (3/17 - 3/23)

[Split T]

He's really mad at the owner for trying to win at all costs. Not sure if you've noticed.

We should be mad. His incompetence and impatience have put us into a hole that will take us most of a decade to crawl out of. We are doomed, one of the NBA franchises with the worst future, thanks to Mat Ishbia. This is ample cause for any Suns fan to be mad, and for that anger to be directed largely at our new owner.

Yeesh. You really have a negative view of the future. Most of a decade? You think we will be bad until well into the 30s?

They could rebuild this team and set it in a great course in 1 offseason if they wanted to.

[TOO]

And Ish is never going to learn because he doesn’t want to.

And you know this how?

He's really mad at the owner for trying to win at all costs. Not sure if you've noticed.

I’m mad at the owner for trading a decade’s worth of draft capital and several young talented players to assemble a team that’s probably going to miss the play in. If that’s what you call “trying to win,” I’d rather he didn’t try.

20/20 man. If it won a title nobody would care.

[Mori Chu]

Yeesh. You really have a negative view of the future. Most of a decade? You think we will be bad until well into the 30s?

They could rebuild this team and set it in a great course in 1 offseason if they wanted to.

Respectfully, I think you are underestimating the time and pain it takes to really rebuild an NBA team, especially with very few assets. Look at the 2010s; even with a full cupboard of draft picks and cap space, it took us years and years to build a decent team. This time we have less to build on than we did back then. I hope you are correct but think it will be many tough years.

[Superbone]

He's really mad at the owner for trying to win at all costs. Not sure if you've noticed.

We should be mad. His incompetence and impatience have put us into a hole that will take us most of a decade to crawl out of. We are doomed, one of the NBA franchises with the worst future, thanks to Mat Ishbia. This is ample cause for any Suns fan to be mad, and for that anger to be directed largely at our new owner.

I'm probably an outlier, but I disagree. Trading for KD and Beal were both valid contender building transactions. You can argue whether the trades cost too much, sure. You can argue about team fit, sure. Some can argue that they wouldn't have made the moves. However, strategically, these are valid moves. It's not like he traded Doncic for Street Clothes. They were gambles for sure, and based on results, Ishbia lost the gamble.

Most of the criticism levied by fans today is based on hindsight. At the time, these moves were mostly applauded, with a fair amount of concern about what happens if the team fails.

Nailed it!

[ShelC]

Yeesh. You really have a negative view of the future. Most of a decade? You think we will be bad until well into the 30s?

They could rebuild this team and set it in a great course in 1 offseason if they wanted to.

Respectfully, I think you are underestimating the time and pain it takes to really rebuild an NBA team, especially with very few assets. Look at the 2010s; even with a full cupboard of draft picks and cap space, it took us years and years to build a decent team. This time we have less to build on than we did back then. I hope you are correct but think it will be many tough years.

Depends on who's calling the shots tho. Babby/Blanks/McD were terrible. Bad coaching hires, bad drafts, bad FA signings and a meddling owner.

[Mori Chu]

Trading for KD and Beal were both valid contender building transactions. You can argue whether the trades cost too much, sure. You can argue about team fit, sure. Some can argue that they wouldn't have made the moves. However, strategically, these are valid moves. It's not like he traded Doncic for Street Clothes. They were gambles for sure, and based on results, Ishbia lost the gamble.

Most of the criticism levied by fans today is based on hindsight. At the time, these moves were mostly applauded, with a fair amount of concern about what happens if the team fails.

Here is the trade from when the Suns traded for Beal:

viewtopic.php?t=2794

It is true that most of us (myself included) thought the Suns got a good deal acquiring Beal. Here's what I posted:

Holy shit. What absolute highway robbery.

But to be fair, I hadn't yet read the official full trade yet, which included all the details about how many 1st round pick swaps and 2nd rounders we gave out. My next post on the topic, once I heard those details, was:

We don't have control of any of our first round picks for a decade. I hope this core can win, because if they don't, we are really really screwed.

Besides, it's the FO's job to have a better big-picture view of this stuff than some boneheaded fans on the internet. They should have seen that we were collectively giving up 100% of our draft assets until 2031 and should have found a way to keep some of them.

[Split T]

Yeesh. You really have a negative view of the future. Most of a decade? You think we will be bad until well into the 30s?

They could rebuild this team and set it in a great course in 1 offseason if they wanted to.

Respectfully, I think you are underestimating the time and pain it takes to really rebuild an NBA team, especially with very few assets. Look at the 2010s; even with a full cupboard of draft picks and cap space, it took us years and years to build a decent team. This time we have less to build on than we did back then. I hope you are correct but think it will be many tough years.

Yes if you have incompetent people running the show. How long did it take James Jones once he took over? How long did it take the Thunder once they ditched Westbrook/PG?

We could get a massive haul for Booker if we trade him this summer. Trade Book and KD and we could have all our picks and some nice young players to start with.

Keep Book and you can still trade KD to reset around him. Just depends on what you prioritize. We don’t have great draft picks to trade, but we do have assets.

[Cap]

We could get a massive haul for Booker if we trade him this summer.

No we can’t. Ish owns the team and he says he won’t allow it.

[Split T]

Trading for KD and Beal were both valid contender building transactions. You can argue whether the trades cost too much, sure. You can argue about team fit, sure. Some can argue that they wouldn't have made the moves. However, strategically, these are valid moves. It's not like he traded Doncic for Street Clothes. They were gambles for sure, and based on results, Ishbia lost the gamble.

Most of the criticism levied by fans today is based on hindsight. At the time, these moves were mostly applauded, with a fair amount of concern about what happens if the team fails.

Here is the trade from when the Suns traded for Beal:

viewtopic.php?t=2794

It is true that most of us (myself included) thought the Suns got a good deal acquiring Beal. Here's what I posted:

Holy shit. What absolute highway robbery.

But to be fair, I hadn't yet read the official full trade yet, which included all the details about how many 1st round pick swaps and 2nd rounders we gave out. My next post on the topic, once I heard those details, was:

We don't have control of any of our first round picks for a decade. I hope this core can win, because if they don't, we are really really screwed.

Besides, it's the FO's job to have a better big-picture view of this stuff than some boneheaded fans on the internet. They should have seen that we were collectively giving up 100% of our draft assets until 2031 and should have found a way to keep some of them.

I read through quite a few pages…everyone was on board…except maybe Informer(who still thought it was an awful trade for Washington).

This is why I have a hard time ripping the front office for it. Everyone thought it was a no brainer…who cares about pick swaps to a team that was tearing it down? Even now those swaps are unlikely to matter.

[Kryptonic]

Yeesh. You really have a negative view of the future. Most of a decade? You think we will be bad until well into the 30s?

They could rebuild this team and set it in a great course in 1 offseason if they wanted to.

Respectfully, I think you are underestimating the time and pain it takes to really rebuild an NBA team, especially with very few assets. Look at the 2010s; even with a full cupboard of draft picks and cap space, it took us years and years to build a decent team. This time we have less to build on than we did back then. I hope you are correct but think it will be many tough years.

Yes if you have incompetent people running the show. How long did it take James Jones once he took over? How long did it take the Thunder once they ditched Westbrook/PG?

We could get a massive haul for Booker if we trade him this summer. Trade Book and KD and we could have all our picks and some nice young players to start with.

Keep Book and you can still trade KD to reset around him. Just depends on what you prioritize. We don’t have great draft picks to trade, but we do have assets.

Maybe giving bud a full roster of hungry, youthful kids might be easier to build a culture around. I miss the culture we were developing under Monty before KD showed up.

[Kryptonic]

Trading for KD and Beal were both valid contender building transactions. You can argue whether the trades cost too much, sure. You can argue about team fit, sure. Some can argue that they wouldn't have made the moves. However, strategically, these are valid moves. It's not like he traded Doncic for Street Clothes. They were gambles for sure, and based on results, Ishbia lost the gamble.

Most of the criticism levied by fans today is based on hindsight. At the time, these moves were mostly applauded, with a fair amount of concern about what happens if the team fails.

Here is the trade from when the Suns traded for Beal:

viewtopic.php?t=2794

It is true that most of us (myself included) thought the Suns got a good deal acquiring Beal. Here's what I posted:

Holy shit. What absolute highway robbery.

But to be fair, I hadn't yet read the official full trade yet, which included all the details about how many 1st round pick swaps and 2nd rounders we gave out. My next post on the topic, once I heard those details, was:

We don't have control of any of our first round picks for a decade. I hope this core can win, because if they don't, we are really really screwed.

Besides, it's the FO's job to have a better big-picture view of this stuff than some boneheaded fans on the internet. They should have seen that we were collectively giving up 100% of our draft assets until 2031 and should have found a way to keep some of them.

I read through quite a few pages…everyone was on board…except maybe Informer(who still thought it was an awful trade for Washington).

This is why I have a hard time ripping the front office for it. Everyone thought it was a no brainer…who cares about pick swaps to a team that was tearing it down? Even now those swaps are unlikely to matter.

TBH I assumed that once he removed his NTC that it was gone going forward.... My bad for assuming

[Split T]

I’m not sure the NTC mattered…I don’t think we found a team willing to take him.

[Kryptonic]

There were reports Chicago wanted him and he vetoed it....

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles ... 1_41652690

[JeremyG]

Besides, it's the FO's job to have a better big-picture view of this stuff than some boneheaded fans on the internet. They should have seen that we were collectively giving up 100% of our draft assets until 2031 and should have found a way to keep some of them.

And then this season we gave up our 2031 first rounder unconditionally! So it’s until 2032 now.

[JeremyG]

Yeesh. You really have a negative view of the future. Most of a decade? You think we will be bad until well into the 30s?

They could rebuild this team and set it in a great course in 1 offseason if they wanted to.

Respectfully, I think you are underestimating the time and pain it takes to really rebuild an NBA team, especially with very few assets. Look at the 2010s; even with a full cupboard of draft picks and cap space, it took us years and years to build a decent team. This time we have less to build on than we did back then. I hope you are correct but think it will be many tough years.

Depends on who's calling the shots tho. Babby/Blanks/McD were terrible. Bad coaching hires, bad drafts, bad FA signings and a meddling owner.

We still have a meddling owner.

[Cap]

Besides, it's the FO's job to have a better big-picture view of this stuff than some boneheaded fans on the internet. They should have seen that we were collectively giving up 100% of our draft assets until 2031 and should have found a way to keep some of them.

And then this season we gave up our 2031 first rounder unconditionally! So it’s until 2032 now.

You enjoy holding future draft picks? Are you crazy?!

Seriously guys, we have an owner who actually said that.

[JeremyG]

Maybe giving bud a full roster of hungry, youthful kids might be easier to build a culture around. I miss the culture we were developing under Monty before KD showed up.

From 2019-2021, yes. After that, Monty started destroying the culture/chemistry with poor player relationship management with Crowder and Ayton (and even Paul according to some reports from the 2022 playoff meltdown).

[Mori Chu]

Why the fuck did we trade our 2031 pick for three shitty much-worse picks?

[JeremyG]

Why the fuck did we trade our 2031 pick for three shitty much-worse picks?

We were so stupid that we thought the three picks would be enough to entice Pat Riley to take Beal?

[Cap]

Why the fuck did we trade our 2031 pick for three shitty much-worse picks?

Because only crazy people enjoy holding future draft picks.