Sunsfan4life wrote:You've been on Sabonis for a while now Mori. How far up would you take him?
I honestly don't follow college ball to know an answer to that. I get the sense that he probably isn't worthy of our own 1st-rounder, which will be in the 1-5 range. But he seems to be not very far outside of that range. What's our next-best pick? How many total first-rounders do we have this year, and what range are they likely to fall? My gut tells me he's a mid-first rounder, but anybody who actually follows college hoops would be much more authoritative about this than I am.
He feels like a Kaminsky type of guy to me where people start out saying he'll go late in the 1st round, but as draft meetings and workouts and camps go on, he rises up and ends up going in the 9-16 range at the end of the day. So I wish we had a pick that was like #11 or 12 and could take him there.
Mori Chu wrote:The whole "what position does he play in the NBA?" question, to me, is only valid in one particular context: PG vs SG. If a guy can't shoot well enough to be an SG but can't dribble/pass / run an offense well enough to be a PG, that's a problem.
I don't think that question is as applicable to big men. I look at Sabonis and don't think about whether he's a C or a PF; I just see a guy who I know is going to be successful in the NBA. I want a guy like that on our team.
Millsap, Horford type of player. Not flashy just incredibly smart and always competing. Sabonis is strong and is an active heady defender. He is not a rim protector but defends well out to the three point line. He has quick feet.
carey wrote:Buddy Hield's 36 puts the Sooners into the Sweet 16.
He did against whithering defense. Quite amazing. So far I like Hield and Sabonis in the tournament. The thing that stands out is that everyone knows what they do, and they just continue to do it anyway. No one has stopped either of them yet.
Sunsfan4life wrote:You've been on Sabonis for a while now Mori. How far up would you take him?
I honestly don't follow college ball to know an answer to that. I get the sense that he probably isn't worthy of our own 1st-rounder, which will be in the 1-5 range. But he seems to be not very far outside of that range. What's our next-best pick? How many total first-rounders do we have this year, and what range are they likely to fall? My gut tells me he's a mid-first rounder, but anybody who actually follows college hoops would be much more authoritative about this than I am.
He feels like a Kaminsky type of guy to me where people start out saying he'll go late in the 1st round, but as draft meetings and workouts and camps go on, he rises up and ends up going in the 9-16 range at the end of the day. So I wish we had a pick that was like #11 or 12 and could take him there.
Um. We do have a pick there. Did I miss the green font? I would take him with the Wizards pick. If we are picking in the 4-6 range with our pick, I would take Buddy Hield. I don't know what we would do with Hield, Booker, Knight, and Bogdan all playing the same position. Trade I suppose.
Thoughts on Dillon Brooks as a prospect? I like what I've seen of his game. Neither Draftexpress or NBADraft.net has him as being drafted. 22 points on 3-6 from 3 in this game. St. Joe's within 4 minutes of the upset.
carey wrote:Thoughts on Dillon Brooks as a prospect? I like what I've seen of his game. Neither Draftexpress or NBADraft.net has him as being drafted. 22 points on 3-6 from 3 in this game. St. Joe's within 4 minutes of the upset.
He's an NBA player, and I think someone like Jarred Dudley is a good comp in the league.
He made a big jump after staying (getting) in shape during the summer while playing for Canada in the Pan Am games, so he has a lot of confidence playing against other college players right now. He'll likely stick around at Oregon for one more year because we (yes, I went first person) have a lot coming back next year. I suppose there's an outside chance that he tries to make a jump if Oregon makes it to the NC game, but he's probably a mid-first rounder at best this year with potential to break into the 2017 lottery if he continues to improve.
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JCSunsfan wrote:Um. We do have a pick there. Did I miss the green font? I would take him with the Wizards pick. If we are picking in the 4-6 range with our pick, I would take Buddy Hield. I don't know what we would do with Hield, Booker, Knight, and Bogdan all playing the same position. Trade I suppose.
This is why I think we have to deal the pick if we're not in a position to grab Simmons/Ingram/Bender. After those three, the top prospects on my board are Murray and Hield. Two guards are in high demand, but is there any team in the league that could use them less than us? Hield may be able to guard the point some, in which case maybe we could start him and Devin together. But I think we'd be better off trading down if we're in that position. Then again, Bender might just fall to us, given the demand for 2's league-wide. All draftsterbation until we play the lottery.
specialsauce wrote:I mean seriously, what has this kid accomplished outside of being a 7 footer? This is a knee jerk reaction from Porzingis being a hit.
While I think Bender's draft position is inflated it isn't a reaction to Porzingis. I've been reading about Bender for 2 years now. Well before last year's draft. He's had hype for a long time because he's long and he runs like a gazelle.
I feel like we hear this from specialsauce every year when it comes to Euro bigs. Bender actually might end up being the best player in this draft. He's 7'1" and shoots better than Porzingis, runs the floor, passes almost as well as Simmons, rebounds and has a great motor. Bender isn't a knee jerk reaction, he's actually been thought of as a better prospect for longer than Porzingis.
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In2ition wrote:I feel like we hear this from specialsauce every year when it comes to Euro bigs. Bender actually might end up being the best player in this draft. He's 7'1" and shoots better than Porzingis, runs the floor, passes almost as well as Simmons, rebounds and has a great motor. Bender isn't a knee jerk reaction, he's actually been thought of as a better prospect for longer than Porzingis.
I've read his shot has gotten more fluid but that he is not the shooter Porzingis is. He is supposedly more athletic but not much of a leaper.
In2ition wrote:I feel like we hear this from specialsauce every year when it comes to Euro bigs. Bender actually might end up being the best player in this draft. He's 7'1" and shoots better than Porzingis, runs the floor, passes almost as well as Simmons, rebounds and has a great motor. Bender isn't a knee jerk reaction, he's actually been thought of as a better prospect for longer than Porzingis.
Where did this come from? He gets less than 10 minutes per game for an Israeli team and shoots horribly. He hasn't dominated anything except Euro junior ball which is in the same range of the high end US AAU teams. The kid has no resume. Its all smoke and mirrors.
Euro teams and they way they play players doesn't make a lot of sense many times. I knew a guy that played in Europe, all the players knew he was the best player on the team, they were a much better team when he was on the court. Yet, the coach didn't want to play him, and he had to take them to court to get his salary. It's hard to put a lot of credence into what Euro teams do and how much playing time they get, since they all have their own agendas. He's also been injured and not playing for a little while. Granted, he is a bit of a wild card, because there isn't enough data against the highest level of competition to make the best assessment of him though.
He's been on the radar as the next big thing out of Euro for at least 2 years now. This didn't come from nowhere.
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I like the video I've watched from him. And FWIW, he killed Sabonis (at least on the stat sheet) when they played U18. I strongly suspect that he's McD's choice at 3/4/5.
OE32 wrote:I like the video I've watched from him. And FWIW, he killed Sabonis (at least on the stat sheet) when they played U18. I strongly suspect that he's McD's choice at 3/4/5.
Too bad we'll pick at 7 because the basketball gods are jerks.
OE32 wrote:I like the video I've watched from him. And FWIW, he killed Sabonis (at least on the stat sheet) when they played U18. I strongly suspect that he's McD's choice at 3/4/5.
Too bad we'll pick at 7 because the basketball gods are jerks.
Or maybe they're just more responsive to positive energy.
Seriously, attitudes couldn't be much worse around here, and I don't really see the reason for it, as long as you're not subjecting yourself to the second halves of our games (because at least in the first half there's still a chance to see Len or Booker go for 30). FWIW, I ranked the teams by their future pick rights a few nights back. Boston #1, Suns #2, Philly #3. Philly's swap rights with SAC are nearly worthless. The future is by empirical standards quite bright in Phoenix when you take into account the young talent on the roster and the other moveable assets.
Surprisingly, Brooklyn wasn't dead last. Bottom three were #28 Lakers; #29 Brooklyn; #30 Miami. That's because while Boston can swap with Brooklyn in '17, Brooklyn still gets a pick that year. Meanwhile, Miami's down 3 picks through 2021. Dismal. At least they have Winslow and (maybe) Whiteside.
OE32 wrote:I like the video I've watched from him. And FWIW, he killed Sabonis (at least on the stat sheet) when they played U18. I strongly suspect that he's McD's choice at 3/4/5.
Too bad we'll pick at 7 because the basketball gods are jerks.
Or maybe they're just more responsive to positive energy.
Seriously, attitudes couldn't be much worse around here, and I don't really see the reason for it, as long as you're not subjecting yourself to the second halves of our games (because at least in the first half there's still a chance to see Len or Booker go for 30). FWIW, I ranked the teams by their future pick rights a few nights back. Boston #1, Suns #2, Philly #3. Philly's swap rights with SAC are nearly worthless. The future is by empirical standards quite bright in Phoenix when you take into account the young talent on the roster and the other moveable assets.
Surprisingly, Brooklyn wasn't dead last. Bottom three were #28 Lakers; #29 Brooklyn; #30 Miami. That's because while Boston can swap with Brooklyn in '17, Brooklyn still gets a pick that year. Meanwhile, Miami's down 3 picks through 2021. Dismal. At least they have Winslow and (maybe) Whiteside.
I think you need to check on the definition of empirical. You would have be assuming that all decisions with those picks and movable assets are equal regardless of the owner and GM making them, which couldn't be further from our current state.
