NBA Draft Prospects Discussion

[Superbone]

This doesn't seem to be a great year to have #4, but trading away picks always leads to regret for this franchise.

Yeah, I don't want to talk about how "We could have had Chriss!" down the line like I talk about "We could have had Igoudala!"

[Sunsfan4life]

This doesn't seem to be a great year to have #4, but trading away picks always leads to regret for this franchise.

Well you don't trade it just to trade it, you have to get value. It's easy to go "oh I would of traded it" without having any concrete info of what exactly was being offered.

There is a rumor circulating that the Lakers are trying to aquire another top 5 pick and may be dangling D'Angelo Russel. His rookie campaign was uneven but I loved Russel coming out of College. Think he is better then any one we could nab at 4. He has that whole "Snitching" stigma and he has maturity issues, but I love the talent.

[Sunsfan4life]

This doesn't seem to be a great year to have #4, but trading away picks always leads to regret for this franchise.

Yeah, I don't want to talk about how "We could have had Chriss!" down the line like I talk about "We could have had Igoudala!"

What is going on in Washington? Murray and Chriss have risen higher then any other prospects this year and they both were freshman on a Washington squad who wasn't that good.

[OE32]

I've come to the conclusion that neither Bender nor Chriss are the correct play, at 4 or otherwise. The only correct play is Sabonis. I hope everything is a screen, and we're attempting to get a good deal moving down for Sabonis. If we can't move down with, say, Denver, then don't risk it; just take him at 4.

I think Chriss is fool's gold, plain and simple. Rebounding, motor, defense, basketball IQ all questionable. Someone said draft the basketball player, not the athlete - yeah. Precisely.

With Bender, one huge worry is injury concerns. I don't like the way he moves. I'm not sure he'll really have a position, because I'm not sure he'll ever be able to play inside. Simply, the awkwardness, and the consequent potential for frailty, scare me.

Denver is really the perfect trading partner - we could swap 4 and 28 for 7 and 19, or 4 for 7 and the Memphis pick owed to them, or 4 for 7, with Denver adding a player like Harris or Barton or Gallinari - the last of whom I assume would require our chipping in another player in return.

Sabonis. Final vote.

[Mori Chu]

Sabonis. Final vote.

I love Sabonis and would be happy to take him at #4. *








* Knows nothing

[JCSunsfan]

Sabonis. Final vote.

I love Sabonis and would be happy to take him at #4. *








* Knows nothing

I wouldn't say so. If we took Sabonis at 4, I would be ok with it. I think we should be able to get him with a later pick, but with the level of players being fairly equal between 2 and 15, just take the one you like. He is a very good two way basketball player who WILL start in the NBA.

[Danimal]

This doesn't seem to be a great year to have #4, but trading away picks always leads to regret for this franchise.

Yeah, I don't want to talk about how "We could have had Chriss!" down the line like I talk about "We could have had Igoudala!"

We didn't trade away draft picks in the past, we flat out dumped them

[Gladiator]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... iss-83240/

If you want a reason to be scared off of taking Chriss, watch the draftexpress weakness video compile on him. Some of his defensive rebounding "efforts" make Amare at his worst look like Rodman on the glass. The poor rebounding for a PF is a bit too much of a red flag for me, especially at #4.

[Danimal]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... iss-83240/

If you want a reason to be scared off of taking Chriss, watch the draftexpress weakness video compile on him. Some of his defensive rebounding "efforts" make Amare at his worst look like Rodman on the glass. The poor rebounding for a PF is a bit too much of a red flag for me, especially at #4.

I think you also have to point your finger at the coaching staff. How are they not pulling him from games and busting his ass about that kind of thing.
My hope would be in the NBA he wouldn't have anywhere to hide and its been the focus of so much of the pre-draft reports about him that he would have to make it a focus moving forward.
7ft Thon Maker had a lot of similar embarrassing moments in his weakness video, but then again he isn't being listed as a top 4 pick.

[Gladiator]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... iss-83240/

If you want a reason to be scared off of taking Chriss, watch the draftexpress weakness video compile on him. Some of his defensive rebounding "efforts" make Amare at his worst look like Rodman on the glass. The poor rebounding for a PF is a bit too much of a red flag for me, especially at #4.

I think you also have to point your finger at the coaching staff. How are they not pulling him from games and busting his ass about that kind of thing.
My hope would be in the NBA he wouldn't have anywhere to hide and its been the focus of so much of the pre-draft reports about him that he would have to make it a focus moving forward.
7ft Thon Maker had a lot of similar embarrassing moments in his weakness video, but then again he isn't being listed as a top 4 pick.

I'm definitely not saying he's undraftable or anything like that. Just that I'd be uncomfortable taking him that high (so am bracing for that to happen)

[SDC]

this suns team want sabonis because... people have soured on len?

[Gladiator]

I enjoyed this background video on potential future Sun Dragan Bender.
http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/06/15/ ... r-si-films

[Cap]

Chad Ford's survey of NBA GMs and scouts:

Chad Ford/ESPN Draft Tier Rankings
Ford: "Teams group players based on overall talent and potential. Then, the teams rank the players in each tier based on need. After talking to several GMs and scouts whose teams employ this system, here is how the tiers look this year."

Tier 1: Potential Franchise Players
Ben Simmons, F, LSU

Tier 2: Potential All-Stars
Brandon Ingram, F, Duke
Marquese Chriss, Kris Dunn and Dragan Bender received votes for Tier 2, but not enough to make the cut.

Tier 3: NBA Starters
Dragan Bender, PF, Croatia
Jaylen Brown, F, Cal
Marquese Chriss, PF, Washington
Kris Dunn, PG, Providence
Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky

Tier 4: High-Level Rotation Players
Henry Ellenson, F/C, Marquette
Buddy Hield, SG, Oklahoma
Furkan Korkmaz, SG, Turkey
Skal Labissiere, F/C, Kentucky
Dejounte Murray, PG, Washington
Jakob Poeltl, C, Utah
Domantas Sabonis, PF, Gonzaga

Tier 5: Solid Role Players
Wade Baldwin IV, G, Vanderbilt
Malik Beasley, SG, Florida State
DeAndre Bembry, G/F, St. Joseph's
Ben Bentil, F, Providence
Malcolm Brogdon, G/F, Virginia
Deyonta Davis, PF, Michigan State
Cheick Diallo, PF, Kansas
Juan Hernangomez, PF, Spain
Demetrius Jackson, PG, Notre Dame
Brice Johnson, PF, North Carolina
Damian Jones, C, Vanderbilt
Timothe Luwawu, G/F, France
Thon Maker, F, Australia
Patrick McCaw, G/F, UNLV
Taurean Prince, F, Baylor
Malachi Richardson, SG, Syracuse
Diamond Stone, C, Maryland
Tyler Ulis, PG, Kentucky
Denzel Valentine, G/F, Michigan State
Ante Zizic, C, Croatia
Ivica Zubac, C, Bosnia

Tier 6: Fringe Players
Isaiah Cousins, G, Oklahoma
Caris LeVert, G/F, Michigan
Chinanu Onuaku, C, Louisville
Gary Payton II, PG, Oregon State
Zhou Qi, C, China
Jarrod Uthoff, F, Iowa
Guerschon Yabusele, PF, France
Stephen Zimmerman, C, UNLV

[Superbone]

I enjoyed this background video on potential future Sun Dragan Bender.
http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/06/15/ ... r-si-films

Don't make me pull a carey on you!

[Shabazz]

Look at the passes he makes at the 1:13 mark of that video. Special for a big man.

[Gladiator]

I enjoyed this background video on potential future Sun Dragan Bender.
http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/06/15/ ... r-si-films

Don't make me pull a carey on you!

D'oh! Sorry about that

[gosuns]

The Players in red i like in this Draft: (others i don't like or don't know enough about)

Tier 1: Potential Franchise Players
Ben Simmons, F, LSU

Tier 2: Potential All-Stars
Brandon Ingram, F, Duke
Marquese Chriss, Kris Dunn and Dragan Bender received votes for Tier 2, but not enough to make the cut.

Tier 3: NBA Starters
Dragan Bender, PF, Croatia
Jaylen Brown, F, Cal
Marquese Chriss, PF, Washington
Kris Dunn, PG, Providence
Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky

Tier 4: High-Level Rotation Players
Henry Ellenson, F/C, Marquette
Buddy Hield, SG, Oklahoma
Furkan Korkmaz, SG, Turkey
Skal Labissiere, F/C, Kentucky
Dejounte Murray, PG, Washington
Jakob Poeltl, C, Utah
Domantas Sabonis, PF, Gonzaga

Tier 5: Solid Role Players
Wade Baldwin IV, G, Vanderbilt
Malik Beasley, SG, Florida State
DeAndre Bembry, G/F, St. Joseph's
Ben Bentil, F, Providence
Malcolm Brogdon, G/F, Virginia
Deyonta Davis, PF, Michigan State
Cheick Diallo, PF, Kansas
Juan Hernangomez, PF, Spain
Demetrius Jackson, PG, Notre Dame
Brice Johnson, PF, North Carolina
Damian Jones, C, Vanderbilt
Timothe Luwawu, G/F, France
Thon Maker, F, Australia
Patrick McCaw, G/F, UNLV
Taurean Prince, F, Baylor
Malachi Richardson, SG, Syracuse
Diamond Stone, C, Maryland
Tyler Ulis, PG, Kentucky
Denzel Valentine, G/F, Michigan State
Ante Zizic, C, Croatia
Ivica Zubac, C, Bosnia

Tier 6: Fringe Players
Isaiah Cousins, G, Oklahoma
Caris LeVert, G/F, Michigan
Chinanu Onuaku, C, Louisville
Gary Payton II, PG, Oregon State
Zhou Qi, C, China
Jarrod Uthoff, F, Iowa
Guerschon Yabusele, PF, France
Stephen Zimmerman, C, UNLV

[Ring_Wanted]

Nobody sees big potential in Wade Baldwin? Smells a lot like Reke.

[Mori Chu]

The #1 takeaway from that video .... BENDER HAS A BROTHER! Draft 'em both, people!

[O_Gardino]

this suns team want sabonis because... people have soured on len?

They play different positions. Len could move back to 5 and Sabonis at 4.