Suns News: The Offseason (2016)
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That was my fault, not 538's. I've edited the correction into the post.
“Are you crazy?! You think I’m going to go for seven years and try to get there? You enjoy the 2030 draft picks that we have holding? I want to try to see the game today.” — Ish 3/13/25
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There. Fixed it.Indy wrote:There you go, OE.OE32 wrote:Even 538 forgets about TJ.Cap wrote:Here are CARMELO's projected WARPS for our guys (including Price, though I don't expect to resign him):
+9.9 Warren
+5.0 Bledsoe
+3.3 Knight
+2.3 Tucker
+1.8 Chandler
+1.5 Dudley
+0.5 Booker
+0.4 Len
-0.0 Price
-0.2 Ulis
-0.2 Barbosa
-0.3 Jenkins
-0.3 Goodwin
-0.4 Chriss
Not evaluated: Bender, Williams
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Since I am still sporting Mr. Banks' face, how about you put your avatar where you mouth is on that.OE32 wrote:There. Fixed it.Indy wrote:There you go, OE.OE32 wrote:Even 538 forgets about TJ.Cap wrote:Here are CARMELO's projected WARPS for our guys (including Price, though I don't expect to resign him):
+9.9 Warren
+5.0 Bledsoe
+3.3 Knight
+2.3 Tucker
+1.8 Chandler
+1.5 Dudley
+0.5 Booker
+0.4 Len
-0.0 Price
-0.2 Ulis
-0.2 Barbosa
-0.3 Jenkins
-0.3 Goodwin
-0.4 Chriss
Not evaluated: Bender, Williams

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"Chris looks like Lance Blanks." Say that five times fast.
“Are you crazy?! You think I’m going to go for seven years and try to get there? You enjoy the 2030 draft picks that we have holding? I want to try to see the game today.” — Ish 3/13/25
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The interesting decision to give Ulis a contract like a late first-round pick casts the Chriss trade in a slightly different light.
I suspect that if we had traded #34 instead of #28, we would likely have picked Ulis at #28. So we ended up with the same player on the same contract. Which means that from our perspective, it worked out the same as if we had traded #34 instead of #28.
So, effectively, the costs of moving up from #13 to #8 was Bogdan, #34, and the future DET 2nd-rounder. "Bogdan and two 2nds" sounds a little cheaper than "Bogdan, a 1st and a 2nd."
I suspect that if we had traded #34 instead of #28, we would likely have picked Ulis at #28. So we ended up with the same player on the same contract. Which means that from our perspective, it worked out the same as if we had traded #34 instead of #28.
So, effectively, the costs of moving up from #13 to #8 was Bogdan, #34, and the future DET 2nd-rounder. "Bogdan and two 2nds" sounds a little cheaper than "Bogdan, a 1st and a 2nd."
“Are you crazy?! You think I’m going to go for seven years and try to get there? You enjoy the 2030 draft picks that we have holding? I want to try to see the game today.” — Ish 3/13/25
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Dudley presser right now: http://www.nba.com/suns/now
Go Suns!
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I wonder if it is that or more that it is cost certainty. They have faith that he will be a rotation level player and don't want to deal with the bullshit Gilbert Arenas contract rules in 2-3 years. You get him for 4 years if you want at minimal expense when the cap is $100+ Million.Cap wrote:I suspect that if we had traded #34 instead of #28, we would likely have picked Ulis at #28. So we ended up with the same player on the same contract. Which means that from our perspective, it worked out the same as if we had traded #34 instead of #28.
So, effectively, the costs of moving up from #13 to #8 was Bogdan, #34, and the future DET 2nd-rounder. "Bogdan and two 2nds" sounds a little cheaper than "Bogdan, a 1st and a 2nd."
Go Suns!
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I didn't mean to suggest anything about the reason they gave Ulis the contract they did. I'm just pointing out we ended up with the same result we probably would have ended up with by trading 34 instead of 28, and that might affect how we view the trade.carey wrote:I wonder if it is that or more that it is cost certainty. They have faith that he will be a rotation level player and don't want to deal with the bullshit Gilbert Arenas contract rules in 2-3 years. You get him for 4 years if you want at minimal expense when the cap is $100+ Million.Cap wrote:I suspect that if we had traded #34 instead of #28, we would likely have picked Ulis at #28. So we ended up with the same player on the same contract. Which means that from our perspective, it worked out the same as if we had traded #34 instead of #28.
So, effectively, the costs of moving up from #13 to #8 was Bogdan, #34, and the future DET 2nd-rounder. "Bogdan and two 2nds" sounds a little cheaper than "Bogdan, a 1st and a 2nd."
“Are you crazy?! You think I’m going to go for seven years and try to get there? You enjoy the 2030 draft picks that we have holding? I want to try to see the game today.” — Ish 3/13/25
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I think that is exactly why they did it.carey wrote:I wonder if it is that or more that it is cost certainty. They have faith that he will be a rotation level player and don't want to deal with the bullshit Gilbert Arenas contract rules in 2-3 years. You get him for 4 years if you want at minimal expense when the cap is $100+ Million.Cap wrote:I suspect that if we had traded #34 instead of #28, we would likely have picked Ulis at #28. So we ended up with the same player on the same contract. Which means that from our perspective, it worked out the same as if we had traded #34 instead of #28.
So, effectively, the costs of moving up from #13 to #8 was Bogdan, #34, and the future DET 2nd-rounder. "Bogdan and two 2nds" sounds a little cheaper than "Bogdan, a 1st and a 2nd."
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I don't see why Barbosa would agree to that. Why would he go from being a key reserve on a 73-win team to riding the bench on a rebuilding team?Cap wrote:I'm fairly confident that Barbs signed with that understanding. He is at best the 4th guard in the rotation after Bledsoe, Knight and Booker. If Ulis or Goodwin is ready to command playing time, he could be 5th or even 6th.O_Gardino wrote:I want to sign someone who knows that their contribution is not on the court, but in the locker room.Cap wrote: You still want to resign Price, even after signing Barbs?
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Thanks for that. Dudley spoke very impressively and seems genuinely excited to be back and at the prospect of mentoring the younger Sunscarey wrote:Dudley presser right now: http://www.nba.com/suns/now
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Yep, great press conference. Dudley is going to be great for this locker room and on the court.
Synchronicity and all that jazz, man.
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"Cool is getting us blown out!"
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Oh absolutely this is why. Rookie contracts are really valuable and McD like to maintain control over players as long as possible. That's why he was willing to trade for restricted free agents in Bledsoe and Knight. Ultimately he maintained control.Indy wrote:I think that is exactly why they did it.carey wrote:I wonder if it is that or more that it is cost certainty. They have faith that he will be a rotation level player and don't want to deal with the bullshit Gilbert Arenas contract rules in 2-3 years. You get him for 4 years if you want at minimal expense when the cap is $100+ Million.Cap wrote:I suspect that if we had traded #34 instead of #28, we would likely have picked Ulis at #28. So we ended up with the same player on the same contract. Which means that from our perspective, it worked out the same as if we had traded #34 instead of #28.
So, effectively, the costs of moving up from #13 to #8 was Bogdan, #34, and the future DET 2nd-rounder. "Bogdan and two 2nds" sounds a little cheaper than "Bogdan, a 1st and a 2nd."
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Another example of a poor decision by the FO. There was no need to waste resources to "maintain control" of Brandon Knight. Two teams gave up on him during his rookie contract. That says a lot.JCSunsfan wrote:Oh absolutely this is why. Rookie contracts are really valuable and McD like to maintain control over players as long as possible. That's why he was willing to trade for restricted free agents in Bledsoe and Knight. Ultimately he maintained control.Indy wrote:I think that is exactly why they did it.carey wrote:I wonder if it is that or more that it is cost certainty. They have faith that he will be a rotation level player and don't want to deal with the bullshit Gilbert Arenas contract rules in 2-3 years. You get him for 4 years if you want at minimal expense when the cap is $100+ Million.Cap wrote:I suspect that if we had traded #34 instead of #28, we would likely have picked Ulis at #28. So we ended up with the same player on the same contract. Which means that from our perspective, it worked out the same as if we had traded #34 instead of #28.
So, effectively, the costs of moving up from #13 to #8 was Bogdan, #34, and the future DET 2nd-rounder. "Bogdan and two 2nds" sounds a little cheaper than "Bogdan, a 1st and a 2nd."
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But Indy, look at the deals being handed out now. Knight is being paid peanuts! Plus he has so much potential as a great sixth man!
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Knight has officially reached "Doris Diaw" levels of hatred around here. He probably needs to go succeed (or fail) somewhere else now because there's no coming back.
Go Suns!
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INF, did you see the summer league game? Given your strong feeling about the draft, I'm curious to know what you think after seeing Bender, Chriss and Ulis in action.
“Are you crazy?! You think I’m going to go for seven years and try to get there? You enjoy the 2030 draft picks that we have holding? I want to try to see the game today.” — Ish 3/13/25
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Watching it right now.Cap wrote:INF, did you see the summer league game? Given your strong feeling about the draft, I'm curious to know what you think after seeing Bender, Chriss and Ulis in action.
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Hype man flava flaaaaaaaaav!!!!!!!!!INFORMER wrote:But Indy, look at the deals being handed out now. Knight is being paid peanuts! Plus he has so much potential as a great sixth man!
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Bender and Chriss seem like they are quite a ways away from being average NBA players. But I would expect that of anyone that young. I did see some good flashes from both. I really liked Bender's effort/desire on defense. He seems to take it personally. Chriss seems very athletic, but not strong. He needs to fill out his body. I just hope for lots of playing time for both this year, and see how they develop.
Ulis seems like he could play in the league today. That guy knows what to do with the ball.
Ulis seems like he could play in the league today. That guy knows what to do with the ball.