Game Day: Knicks (14-10) @ Suns (7-17), Tues 12/13/16

[Superbone]

Best win of the season. IMO.

Definitely. That was an extremely entertaining game. It had it all. Chriss' best game of the year with a double double in the first half. Chandler with another monster rebounding game. Tucker shutting down Carmelo. Porzingas raining threes. Lots of emotion and fight. A vocal Knicks contingent in the crowd. The Suns crowd comes back and tops them. A blown lead by the Suns. Down 6 with a couple minutes in regulation and the Suns come storming back. OT. An emotional victory. The team needed that.

[specialsauce]

I don't really care that we won. It's a hallow win for me when you have to play Tucker, Chandler and Bledsoe 40 minutes each to eek out a 2 point victory and you're still 9 games below .500 with the 5th worst win percentage in the league.

+1

Every time we do this, I WANT us to lose. A win with these idiots does nothing but give management the misguided reinforcement that they can win with this shit bag of players, slows the development of the young guys, AND gets us further from the #1 draft pick. FUCK this win.

[AmareIsGod]

For all of his faults, Bledsoe has been our best player this season.

That's not a good thing.

From everything I've heard and seen from him (interviews and on the court), at least he's trying and putting out a consistent performance. It's his best season from a PER perspective and he's attacking the rim regularly. I think he'd be even better if he could play with Ulis some if and when we get rid of Knight.

[specialsauce]

Best win of the season. IMO.

Definitely. That was an extremely entertaining game. It had it all. Chriss' best game of the year with a double double in the first half. Chandler with another monster rebounding game. Tucker shutting down Carmelo. Porzingas raining threes. Lots of emotion and fight. A vocal Knicks contingent in the crowd. The Suns crowd comes back and tops them. A blown lead by the Suns. Down 6 with a couple minutes in regulation and the Suns come storming back. OT. An emotional victory. The team needed that.

I couldn't care less what a group of average veterans with mediocre at best attitudes NEED. what they need is to get rid of them

[specialsauce]

At least Chriss had a good game and got some good PT

[AmareIsGod]

Best win of the season. IMO.

Definitely. That was an extremely entertaining game. It had it all. Chriss' best game of the year with a double double in the first half. Chandler with another monster rebounding game. Tucker shutting down Carmelo. Porzingas raining threes. Lots of emotion and fight. A vocal Knicks contingent in the crowd. The Suns crowd comes back and tops them. A blown lead by the Suns. Down 6 with a couple minutes in regulation and the Suns come storming back. OT. An emotional victory. The team needed that.

Glad some of us can have a little optimism after an exciting win. The broken record complaints after every loss carry over into the wins as well. It's a lose/lose situation.

[specialsauce]

Best win of the season. IMO.

Definitely. That was an extremely entertaining game. It had it all. Chriss' best game of the year with a double double in the first half. Chandler with another monster rebounding game. Tucker shutting down Carmelo. Porzingas raining threes. Lots of emotion and fight. A vocal Knicks contingent in the crowd. The Suns crowd comes back and tops them. A blown lead by the Suns. Down 6 with a couple minutes in regulation and the Suns come storming back. OT. An emotional victory. The team needed that.

Glad some of us can have a little optimism after an exciting win. The broken record complaints after every loss carry over into the wins as well. It's a lose/lose situation.

Can't cheer for a group of vets that don't play the right way

[Superbone]

Best win of the season. IMO.

Definitely. That was an extremely entertaining game. It had it all. Chriss' best game of the year with a double double in the first half. Chandler with another monster rebounding game. Tucker shutting down Carmelo. Porzingas raining threes. Lots of emotion and fight. A vocal Knicks contingent in the crowd. The Suns crowd comes back and tops them. A blown lead by the Suns. Down 6 with a couple minutes in regulation and the Suns come storming back. OT. An emotional victory. The team needed that.

Glad some of us can have a little optimism after an exciting win. The broken record complaints after every loss carry over into the wins as well. It's a lose/lose situation.

+1. Yeah, it's pretty sad. Some people are just never happy.

[AmareIsGod]

Best win of the season. IMO.

Definitely. That was an extremely entertaining game. It had it all. Chriss' best game of the year with a double double in the first half. Chandler with another monster rebounding game. Tucker shutting down Carmelo. Porzingas raining threes. Lots of emotion and fight. A vocal Knicks contingent in the crowd. The Suns crowd comes back and tops them. A blown lead by the Suns. Down 6 with a couple minutes in regulation and the Suns come storming back. OT. An emotional victory. The team needed that.

I couldn't care less what a group of average veterans with mediocre at best attitudes NEED. what they need is to get rid of them

While I understand the valid criticisms and complaints because I share a lot of the same feelings most of us do, Watson has to work with keeping the locker room from falling apart and balancing chemistry with a roster that he's given. The front office makes trades based on interest and what we can get in return. We can bash Watson all we want with how he distributes minutes but the moment he loses his veterans by benching them simply in favor of youth instead of trying to win games, it will quickly turn the season into a lost cause. Player development will be hindered by a divided locker room and a coach nobody listens to. Then we end up with a group of negative young players that have become accustomed to losing, not listening to their coach and bad habits going forward. I don't envy Watson at all. There's so much more than x's and o's and benching players for other players when it comes to basketball, especially in the NBA where egos and personalities are one of the largest factors. Our coach has to confront these personalities and people on a daily basis, whether it's text messaging, practices, travel, whatever the case may be. It's an incredibly tough balance with a roster that is two ends of the spectrum: very young and fairly old.

[3rdside]

anyone called josh fellman in here?



You're hired!


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[UglyTruth]

we got to see an entire qtr of tucker ball. What an age we live in

pointing the finger at Watson

And I suppose people are going to come in here and say Anthony just had an off night and Tucker didn't shut him down.

Or people could just come in and see that Melo is washed up and garbage now and that he's had plenty of awful games like this in this season.

Or we can just sing praises for fat Tucker who's stealing minutes away from Bender.

[Ring_Wanted]

Or we can give each his own and realize that while Bender should be playing real minutes, today Tucker is still able to do some positive things on the court. Carmelo Anthony may very well be on the decline, but I don't see the need to do verbal acrobatics to bash our player or the coach. They go from fail to questionable most of the time all alone, no need to say that a guy giving you 22-6-3 at SF is garbage.

[Nodack]

Just finished it. It was an exciting game. Five OT games this year. I thought both teams wanted it. Hornacek coming back. Chandler playing against his old team. Emotions high. Bender did play. Chriss had his best game, especially in the first half. I think they came to the conclusion that Chriss isn't a scorer and cheated off him. He is getting better at cleaning up the glass after misses.

I'm not going to bash anybody. It was a team win that they wanted and got. Bledsoe playing inspired ball. Tucker shutting down great scorers and getting no love. Barbosa poised and playing well. Chandler with 23 rebounds. Booker 3-16 18.8%. Ouch! I think they took out Bender because he was being abused. Len out so Williams with the playing time. He was sort of also abused.

Porzingis is a handfull. He is going to be a great player. He shoots from anywhere with a quick release and he is a giant, plus he can put it on the floor. Surprisingly Bledsoe got stuck on him in the post a couple times and somehow Bledsoe held his own.

If they lose I'm happy for the ping pong ball. If they win I'm happy for their moral victory and a taste of victory every once in awhile. Basketball is entertainment. I was entertained. Politics on the other hand pisses me off.

[UglyTruth]

Or we can give each his own and realize that while Bender should be playing real minutes, today Tucker is still able to do some positive things on the court. Carmelo Anthony may very well be on the decline, but I don't see the need to do verbal acrobatics to bash our player or the coach. They go from fail to questionable most of the time all alone, no need to say that a guy giving you 22-6-3 at SF is garbage.

Who cares how much he scores if he's extremely inefficient while doing it? Brandon Knight could average 30 pts a game if you let him shoot it how many ever times he wanted to.

Melo has the lowest FG% of his entire career this season and 3rd worst PER of his career. He knows he's washed up and that he sucks now, that's why he's focused so much this season on politics and even in the off season he was involved in that speech at the ESPYs and stuff. He knows he can't play basketball anymore, I'll applaud him for at least using his platform to raise awareness in other social issues though.

Melo at this point in his career is the SF version of Brandon Knight. High volume, low efficient, dumb, selfish player who is a black hole on offense. Don't take my word for it, go on the Knicks forums and see how many people hate him so much that there's various death threats made against him by Knicks fans.

[Ring_Wanted]

47% on twos, 33% on threes is garbage now? Ok. Let's keep on killing Tucker for defending such a garbage can.

[carey]

I can give Tucker his due while still not liking the way this thing shook out, right? The two aren't mutually exclusive? Shutting down Anthony is impressive. He's still capable of playing very good basketball, but like we saw when Steve was here the older you get the harder it is to summon night after night.

I apologize if you think I'm too negative. It's just these guys aren't the future of the team. We're not any good. We're not going anywhere. We have to put a sustainable long term plan in effect. If that plan is sitting our rookies so they can learn from vets that play hard I can understand it. I just don't agree with it because while wins are important each and every one will effect our draft position. So we're doing two things while riding our aging vets 40 minutes a night. We're slowing the growth of the guys that will be here in the future and we're pushing ourselves further from a chance at Fultz & Ball. That's all it is to me right now. I appreciate the effort of Tucker, Chandler and Eric. Those guys generally come to battle every night. What I care about is the future of this team and it is more important than the present for me. I won't beat a dead horse every night just like I won't do it with trading Brandon Knight. You guys know where I stand with both now and I won't beat it into the ground here because I know how annoying that can be.

[ShelC]

I don't think Melo's done but he's certainly not playing well. It's mostly because of a new coach (again), new teammates (again), trying to play in the triangle (again), the coaching moving away from the triangle (again). The Knicks have been playing well of late and have been getting it together, but Melo's still adjusting to having to pass the ball and watch others get theirs (Rose, Jennings, KP). When he's on, you can't stop his pull up jumper.

[djy2j]

I'll give credit to Tucker for his defense on AD and Melo. Pretty impressive that he did it consecutive games. I think it's a little of good D and off nights by both players. Tucker plays hard and I would like him a hell of a lot more if they didn't give him the green light on offense. He makes sooo many bonehead plays on offense that it takes away from what he does on defense IMO.

I appreciate Beldsoe's solid line again but I wish EJ would stop saying, "Bledsoe is becoming one of the best PG's in the Western Conference." Really EJ? Because I can name six that are head and shoulders better. Steph, Lillard, Conley, Westbrook, Paul, Parker. So Beldsoe has had some nice stats playing the likes of Derrick Rose and Jrue Holiday but let's calm the fuck down about him EJ.

Glad Chriss had a breakout game. He's fun to watch when he's locked in. Imagine if we had guards that could throw him lobs. Oh brother!

[Indy]

Or we can give each his own and realize that while Bender should be playing real minutes, today Tucker is still able to do some positive things on the court. Carmelo Anthony may very well be on the decline, but I don't see the need to do verbal acrobatics to bash our player or the coach. They go from fail to questionable most of the time all alone, no need to say that a guy giving you 22-6-3 at SF is garbage.

+1

[Indy]

I can give Tucker his due while still not liking the way this thing shook out, right? The two aren't mutually exclusive? Shutting down Anthony is impressive. He's still capable of playing very good basketball, but like we saw when Steve was here the older you get the harder it is to summon night after night.

I apologize if you think I'm too negative. It's just these guys aren't the future of the team. We're not any good. We're not going anywhere. We have to put a sustainable long term plan in effect. If that plan is sitting our rookies so they can learn from vets that play hard I can understand it. I just don't agree with it because while wins are important each and every one will effect our draft position. So we're doing two things while riding our aging vets 40 minutes a night. We're slowing the growth of the guys that will be here in the future and we're pushing ourselves further from a chance at Fultz & Ball. That's all it is to me right now. I appreciate the effort of Tucker, Chandler and Eric. Those guys generally come to battle every night. What I care about is the future of this team and it is more important than the present for me. I won't beat a dead horse every night just like I won't do it with trading Brandon Knight. You guys know where I stand with both now and I won't beat it into the ground here because I know how annoying that can be.

+1 on this too. There is a short-term look and a long-term look. Some of us are very short-term, or live in the moment. Others are very strategic and thinking about the next step (or 3).