If the Suns have to do a trade, where

[Aztec Sunsfan]

Too many players involved, so the unlikely of it happening takes some fun out of it. Still, RFA Noel and picking 9th-12th do not cut it for me. At least get Okafor on board.

On a side note, I was thinking myself on two complementary trades, but felt there was too many players in .

Knight and Tucker for Rubio (sustracting developing-time-suckers for a pass first PG. Minny might get caught in "upgrading" Ricky's poor shooting, and hopefully PJ would fill Thibs desire for "tough D"

Followed by

Bledsoe for Okafor, and hopefully Nik Staukas as a filler, gets us a post player and a buy-low prospect.

Then, until we get Ball/Fultz, we roll with

Rubio (30)-Booker(28)-Warren(30)-Bender(24)-Chandler(20) and
Ulis(18)-Barbosa(20)-Dudley(18)-Chriss(24)-Okafor(28),

Give Staukas the challenge to take minutes away from LB and/or Duds, hopefully make one of them to ride the pine and put Len to earn his millions by dethroning either Chandler or Okafor or at least steal time from the rooks and Chandler in his way to 12min a game and a cheap-ish contract to be our future backup center.

We should be fun to watch again, maybe even competitive. Philly would do it, I can see it, but Minny is unlikely and we need to unload Knight and get a PG on his way out, that's why I marked it trade #1, so we can cash in Bledsoe. Well, I can dream fron tonight to february to wake up and read about this on the news feed.

[Ring_Wanted]

Any chance we could pull this off:

Phoenix out: Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Chandler
Phoenix in: Jeff Green, Ed Davis, Nerlens Noel, TJ McConnell, Lakers 2017 1st via Philly

Philly out: Noel, McConnell, Lakers 2017 1st
Philly in: Bledsoe, Festus Ezeli, Rights to Magic 2017 1st

Magic out: Jeff Green, 2017 1st
Magic in: Brandon Knight, PJ Tucker, Cavs 2018 1st via Portland

Blazers out: Festus Ezeli, Ed Davis, Cavs 2018 1st
Blazers in: Tyson Chandler


It works in trade checker, spare parts could be mixed and matched a little. Aminu could replace either ezeli or Davis from Portland. Sergio Rodriguez could replace McConnell.

Looks too light if Bledose is getting moved imo (although I don't know if Philly would want Bledsoe). Noel is getting paid and i don't know if I want to be the one giving out that contract, especially if Len is still on the roster.

I like the Portland as a Chandler destination, think they should be active players for defense and rebouding. Aminu is too important to them if they are not going to get perimeter help.

Magic sure need scoring, and seem invested in getting into the playoffs, so I could see their pick in play (or Hezonja instead).

[pickle]

Saw a story that Portland was interested in Chandler. Who from Portland do we want though... I'm not interested in anybody on their roster. They probably wouldn't really trade future picks, as they need to remove contracts ASAP.

[Split T]

Ya, I'm not sure it'd be worth it to include Bledsoe to Philly. The trade makes more sense with just Orlando and Portland.

As for a Chandler to Portland trade, there are very few options to make it work financially, unless we are taking one of their terrible contracts they signed this summer, which we should not do. The trade would most likely be Ezeli and Ed Davis for Chandler. Portland would then have to give us an asset as I have no interest in Ezeli or Davis. Probably the 2018 1st they just got from Cleveland. Could possibly make it work by adding a bunch of smaller contracts(Napier, connaughton, layman, quarterman) They also have Vonleh, but I wouldn't want him, we don't need a 3rd pf prospect to develop.

[Mori Chu]

Too many players involved, so the unlikely of it happening takes some fun out of it. Still, RFA Noel and picking 9th-12th do not cut it for me. At least get Okafor on board.

On a side note, I was thinking myself on two complementary trades, but felt there was too many players in .

Knight and Tucker for Rubio (sustracting developing-time-suckers for a pass first PG. Minny might get caught in "upgrading" Ricky's poor shooting, and hopefully PJ would fill Thibs desire for "tough D"

Followed by

Bledsoe for Okafor, and hopefully Nik Staukas as a filler, gets us a post player and a buy-low prospect.

Then, until we get Ball/Fultz, we roll with

Rubio (30)-Booker(28)-Warren(30)-Bender(24)-Chandler(20) and
Ulis(18)-Barbosa(20)-Dudley(18)-Chriss(24)-Okafor(28),

Give Staukas the challenge to take minutes away from LB and/or Duds, hopefully make one of them to ride the pine and put Len to earn his millions by dethroning either Chandler or Okafor or at least steal time from the rooks and Chandler in his way to 12min a game and a cheap-ish contract to be our future backup center.

We should be fun to watch again, maybe even competitive. Philly would do it, I can see it, but Minny is unlikely and we need to unload Knight and get a PG on his way out, that's why I marked it trade #1, so we can cash in Bledsoe. Well, I can dream fron tonight to february to wake up and read about this on the news feed.

Love your ideas. I would be really excited about getting Rubio. I don't much like the center logjam your trades create and don't think we should bury Len like that as our 3rd center. I think we would need to then also trade Chandler and start Len, bringing Okafor or whomever off the bench.

[Split T]

Rubio is a great passer, but at this point we might as well wait for the draft where there are pass first pg's that better fit our timeline and are actually better all around players. They may not be quite the passers that Rubio are, but Ball, Ntilikina, and Fox are all good passers that are younger, cheaper, and either better shooters and/or better athletes.

[TOO]

Rubio, gross, literally the worst shooter in the NBA in a day and age where shooting matters more than anything else. Pass, so many times.

[Aztec Sunsfan]

We can wait for the draft with a PG that actually rewards the rookies for running the floor and trying cuts, showing them how play team ball looks like. Call it overcompensation, but I have had my fair share of "first shooting" so I'm ok going for half a season with the worst shooting PG ever, at least unlike our current PGs, he acknowledges it and avoid it actively, trying instead to set up a functional offense. Lobs to Chandler and Chriss, no look passes to backdoor cutters Warren and Barbosa, set up plays for the rookies, and finding Booker when the time is right, all of this is within Rubio's skillset, while the current leading guards clearly can't even try to be competent at it. Then, next year, we can wait and see if Ulis makes Rubio expendable during Ball/Fultz developing.

I didn't like the logjam at center either, but with Len in a contract year, we would be painting ourselves in a corner if the offseason arrives and only him and Okafor are on board, as I said, make Alex earn his millions. Supossedly, old man Tyson should be an easy prey, and best case escenario, we enter next season with Okafor developing some defensive chops under Tyson, who rides into the sunset KG style handing the keys to Len as an above average backup center, instead of a below average starter. Besides that, I love Chandler in the team and The only way I trade him (same with JD & LB), is by him asking for it. For once, let's give a veteran some respect, start to fix that reputation pslease. I HOPE he can mentor the kids all the way to a playoff spot within two years, as well as take a second breath playing with somebody who will actually look for him in a pick and roll, hell, him, Len, Okafor, everybody would be first choice, so they would try harder.

[Aztec Sunsfan]

I pencil Okafor coming from the bench while developing to hide his defensive growing pains, as well as give us an offensive anchor for the second unit, Booker and Warren can carry the first unit next to a PG capable to set them up and milking whatever is posible from Chandler and Bender's skillset.

We could be the best fit for Jhalil with our pair of defensive, lond-armed, stretch PFs, and an improved shooting Booker easing the load on each other. We could even try a LB, Booker, Bender, Chriss bombing lineup around him for some stretches.

[pickle]

I've quite liked what I saw out of Len in the few games I managed to catch this year. Don't know why we are so collectively down on him. I believe in "big men take longer to develop". At least in this case.

[Uncle_Gene]

I know Millsap is getting up in age, but so is Tucker.

I'd rather have a real SF/PF player that can produce nightly in Millsap than a SF that ain't close to a PF in Tucker. Millsap would fill a void and give consistent production.

[Split T]

No question Millsap would make us a better team, but for what purpose? He's a free agent after this season and isn't resigning here. We'd have to give up a couple assets for half a season of Millsap and a run at the 8 seed, where we'd get swept by golden state.

We just need to clear out the unnecessary, knight and Tucker, continue to add young talent and develop it. If bled or Chandler want out, then move them too, but I'm OK hanging on to them for now.

[Ring_Wanted]

No question Millsap would make us a better team, but for what purpose? He's a free agent after this season and isn't resigning here. We'd have to give up a couple assets for half a season of Millsap and a run at the 8 seed, where we'd get swept by golden state.

We just need to clear out the unnecessary, knight and Tucker, continue to add young talent and develop it. If bled or Chandler want out, then move them too, but I'm OK hanging on to them for now.

Agreed on Millsap. Would be nice to be in a position where a trade for him makes sense, but we are simply not there.

Also concur on Knight-Tucker, but at this point Bledsoe and Chandler should be actively shopped. Bledsoe in particular. We are never going to improve our game with him at the helm. Besides Sarver and McD, Eric is the only eral common denominator in the last three seasons, which make the ugliest and dumbest period of Suns basketball I've endured in my fandom. This stuff makes the Marbury years shine, let alone the Kidd era.

[carey]

I fear a Knight for Millsap swap. That might actually make us a decent team. We wouldn't make the playoffs but we'd probably win enough games to fall into the 10-13 range in the draft. It would also send Bender's playing time to 0 unless we move Tucker and he becomes the backup SF.

[ShelC]

Doubt the Hawks want Knight.

[Mori Chu]

I agree that a Knight/Millsap deal would be horrible for us. He'd probably net us a few wins, and he'd eat all the minutes of our young rookie PFs. And then in the offseason we either watch him leave or way overpay to keep him. Worst possible trade outcome.

[Indy]

Look, we aren't going to resign Tucker, right? And we all agree we are better off without Knight. If we honestly lost both of them for nothing, would that be bad? If we could find a way to package them with Bledsoe for something in return like a couple of mid-teen first rounders, wouldn't we be happy? Of all of the guys we pine to move, Chandler is the one I would be most happy to stay through the rest of his contract.

[Mori Chu]

Yeah, I agree. I don't care if we get a great return on Knight because I'd just be so happy to be rid of him and his contract. As long as we don't take back long-term money, I'm good. And I think getting Tucker off the roster, even for zero return, would be a big help because he would stop eating up so many minutes that our younglings should be taking.

I agree that Chandler is a guy I wouldn't mind keeping around for his full contract if he keeps on wanting to play here.

[In2ition]

I agree with this too.

And, it's not that I don't think Bledsoe is talented or valuable, it's just that I'd rather my pg be a pass first, eyes in the back of his head, wows me each night with his bballiq, gets his teammates involved and elevates their games, savant like control of pace and rhythm, can do everything on the floor to win type pg.

[sunshoopjunky]

they need to give up one of the young players to get the deal done, which players do you keep? and Who is the player you are most willing to part ways with?
TJ Warren
Dragan Bender
Marquese Chriss
Alex Len

For me it depends om the scenario. Is the trade a move for the future like a lotto pick or two.?

I think you can get a All Star to Franchise level PG in the 2017 draft.

Or are we talking for a mega deal blockbuster trade like Celtics in 07?

I have trade parameters on another thread that where I would trade any of them including Booker.

What we cant do is trade all of our future.

Warren's ceiling does not seem lower then Booker's to me. So make sure and keep 1 of them regardless.

Chriss's ceiling and Bender's seem fairly paired as well, same thing keep at least 1 of them.

I think Len is expendable but we have invested the time in the growing years may not be a bad idea to let him be a stop gap I see a poor mans Duncan in him when he doesn't think to much.