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Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:51 pm

You're entitled to your opinion, 1tin. And I do agree that Book has some significant flaws as a player. But you're not likely to persuade me if you say "you're smarter than that" and that I'm "brainwashed" and other such things.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 2:40 pm

It’s like running out and telling everyone the sky’s blue…. No shit.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:51 pm

You're entitled to your opinion, 1tin. And I do agree that Book has some significant flaws as a player. But you're not likely to persuade me if you say "you're smarter than that" and that I'm "brainwashed" and other such things.

1tinsoldier wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:04 pm

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O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:58 pm

Not really my argument, but I want to chip in because I see both sides. I hope this is constructive.

Tin, it's not your take on Booker that people don't get. It's your strong emotions around the issue.

He's not good in end-game situations? We know.
He's not a great defender? We know.
He's not an efficient 3pt shooter? We know.
Other teams' starters are kicking our butts? We know.

It's not the facts people are criticizing, and I didn't feel like any posters intended to criticize you personally, but I personally don't get why you seem so fixated on Booker. It seems like you are super fixated on Booker's flaws when there are plenty of good things that Bookers does, and plenty of bad things happening elsewhere on the court and in the front office. Book is not the Answer To All Problems, but he isn't the cause of them all either.

My brother in Talos, Booker is always going to have those flaws. And there will always be fans who appreciate the good things he does despite the bad. Why try to convince everyone to hate him?

thank you Gardino, for posting your take rather than just another personal criticism. My emotion is based on the irrational emotion of others who get bent out of shape when i'm just making a logical case of why this team needs to get out of the Booker era/error.

the more they ignore my points to point the finger at me, bends me out of shape. But i don't need antagonism to get me worked up about this situation. I spent 300 hours this year watching this poor product. The game could and should be more competitive and entertaining

i enjoyed the Kevin Johnson era. 50+ wins per season making the playoffs.f
i enjoyed the Barkley era. Wins and playoff wins.
i enjoyed the Jason Kidd era. Wins, playoffs, good defense.
i enjoyed Steve Nash era. Ditto
i enjoyed the CP3 era, though it was only 2 years.
the other 8 of the last 10 have been the worst basketball in Suns history

THAT'S the Booker era

so, tell me Gardino. Why aren't you pissed? You admitted to Booker's flaws. Why do we have to build around one flawed franchise player and pay him like one of the best player's/winners in the world?

if everyone is still mesmerized by his occasional offensive performances, despite poor defense and an awful record and not being among the 24 picked All Stars, why not keep Kevin Durant instead who is a better, more consistent player, and still ranked in the top 10 in the league?

until someone even tries to explain that logic to me, i'm going to keep being motivated to demonstrate the illogic of it

1tinsoldier wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:18 pm

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:51 pm

You're entitled to your opinion, 1tin. And I do agree that Book has some significant flaws as a player. But you're not likely to persuade me if you say "you're smarter than that" and that I'm "brainwashed" and other such things.

aren't you the admin here? You know the effect of calling someone who's trying to make a point a "troll"

(...)

I've been a forum admin for over 10 years. I'm familiar with the bullying technique that posters use to silence those they disagree with and who don't follow the herd mentality.

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 3:46 pm

IMO, he gets the most out of his own talent, and that's all I can ask of him. Would I trade him for a good offer? Yeah. But I do see the appeal of keeping a guy we drafted. A home-grown "star", especially one who is respected around the league for his work ethic and competitiveness, is a way for fans to connect to the team.

Durrant, on the other hand, is older, is not a guy that people are excited to play for, is not great in the locker room, and absolutely has not been the 1A option who should take the pressure off of Booker. I don't think many fans are attached to him, and we certainly don't have time to rebuild around him before he's done.

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 4:00 pm

The logic in keeping Booker over KD is simply age.

OG said it better than I can, so I won’t go much into it, but we know his flaws. People are going to tune you out if you only bring up the flaws and ignore the good. It hurts your credibility…and it goes both ways…if someone is unable to see any flaws in a player and makes excuses for everything, it also makes it hard to take them seriously.

I don’t personally have a problem if someone thinks we need to move on from Booker. I’d be fine if we did…the team is broken right now..but the blaming of Book is excessive. And to not give Book any credit for the “CP3 era” is low. So is blaming him for the McD era. He deserves criticism for how this team with KD failed, I don’t think anyone would say otherwise…it’s just excessive.

1tinsoldier wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:39 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 02, 2025 4:00 pm

The logic in keeping Booker over KD is simply age.

OG said it better than I can, so I won’t go much into it, but we know his flaws. People are going to tune you out if you only bring up the flaws and ignore the good. It hurts your credibility…and it goes both ways…if someone is unable to see any flaws in a player and makes excuses for everything, it also makes it hard to take them seriously.

I don’t personally have a problem if someone thinks we need to move on from Booker. I’d be fine if we did…the team is broken right now..but the blaming of Book is excessive. And to not give Book any credit for the “CP3 era” is low. So is blaming him for the McD era. He deserves criticism for how this team with KD failed, I don’t think anyone would say otherwise…it’s just excessive.

i don't see the purpose of me redundantly pointing out his plus points when that is what this forum, Arizona Sports radio and TV does non-stop with full bias and allowances for this town's home-grown star.

regarding not crediting him for the CP3 era -- it is not "low," it's consistent. I credited KJ for his era as a leader, Barkley for his era as the leader, etc.. without co-crediting the unquestionable value of key teammates. CP3 was the team's leader (and a top league MVP candidate) those 2 years.

as i said in the prior post, age is Booker's plus factor only if a case can be made that his offensive and DEFENSIVE performance stands to outweigh his prohibitive salary that will likely be the most expensive in the NBA next season (according to Bickley).

let's explore further after the season ends

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 04, 2025 6:55 am

I've been hearing that viewership has been way down the last couple of years. Any truth to that? Should we expect the salary cap to go down if the NBA becomes less profitable as there are fewer cable subscribers? I really don't know anything about this stuff.

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:45 pm

No one is going to take your thoughts seriously because it just feels like you have an axe to grind. You’re more than welcome to continue, but don’t get upset when people try to defend him against the constant bashing.