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Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 2:45 pm
by Mori Chu
I like Grayson Allen. But if we are keeping Green, I don't think we have room for him. And he's probably our most tradeable asset right now and could net us a pick and some cap savings. I personally would rather trade Grayson than Royce because Grayson is a worse defender and can't as easily play the 3. Trading one of the two seems like a good idea.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 2:53 pm
by ShelC
I like him as a deadeye shooter and now that we have shotblockers behind him, he may be less of a defensive liability. But he may also have less value on a not-so-great team like ours. He's a luxury for better teams that have two legit guys who are the focus of the defense and are rim threats where he can get those open looks on kickouts. He was a good add in theory with our Big 3, the talent mix just wasn't there.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:23 pm
by Shabazz
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 2:45 pm
I like Grayson Allen. But if we are keeping Green, I don't think we have room for him.
Why not? He’s a backup 2 and we don’t have any others. We also don’t have anyone else who is nearly as consistent of a 3-point shooter.
Royce is way more redundant with Dunn, Brooks and NHD on board.
We’re also starving for shot creation and Grayson is much better than Royce at that.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:30 pm
by TOO
Shabazz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:23 pm
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 2:45 pm
I like Grayson Allen. But if we are keeping Green, I don't think we have room for him.
Why not? He’s a backup 2 and we don’t have any others. We also don’t have anyone else who is nearly as consistent of a 3-point shooter.
Royce is way more redundant with Dunn, Brooks and NHD on board.
We’re also starving for shot creation and Grayson is much better than Royce at that.
Well said.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:33 pm
by specialsauce
I don't want either of them. Royce is short and extremely streaky from 3 and doesn't offer anything else despite this board thinking he's good at defense.
Grayson is elite from 3, but there's a lot of players out there that shoot 40% from 3 nowadays. And he makes Royce look like he's a good defender
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:40 pm
by Split T
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:33 pm
I don't want either of them. Royce is short and extremely streaky from 3 and doesn't offer anything else despite this board thinking he's good at defense.
Grayson is elite from 3, but there's a lot of players out there that shoot 40% from 3 nowadays. And he makes Royce look like he's a good defender
Not a lot on our team though
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:00 pm
by TOO
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:33 pm
I don't want either of them. Royce is short and extremely streaky from 3 and doesn't offer anything else despite this board thinking he's good at defense.
Grayson is elite from 3, but there's a lot of players out there that shoot 40% from 3 nowadays. And he makes Royce look like he's a good defender
How many guys shoot over 40% on at least 5 per game?
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:17 pm
by Split T
There was 20 last year, and 4 on our team haha
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:18 pm
by Wally_West
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:00 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 3:33 pm
I don't want either of them. Royce is short and extremely streaky from 3 and doesn't offer anything else despite this board thinking he's good at defense.
Grayson is elite from 3, but there's a lot of players out there that shoot 40% from 3 nowadays. And he makes Royce look like he's a good defender
How many guys shoot over 40% on at least 5 per game?
I could easily shoot 40% with 3s in my younger days. Maybe closer to 50% tbh.
…wait, you’re talking about basketball?
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:19 pm
by TOO
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:17 pm
There was 20 last year, and 4 on our team haha
We had 4 guys who shot 5 3s per game at 40%?
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:20 pm
by Split T
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:19 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:17 pm
There was 20 last year, and 4 on our team haha
We had 4 guys who shot 5 3s per game at 40%?
Ya, KD, Grayson, Royce, and Tyus…only 2 guys shot better than Grayson on the list though and it was KD and Zach LaVine
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:32 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:47 am
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 02, 2025 6:28 pm
Staying out of the lottery is the priority this season.
Honestly that doesn't accomplish anything. Might make Ishbia feel better.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:36 pm
by TOO
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:20 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:19 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:17 pm
There was 20 last year, and 4 on our team haha
We had 4 guys who shot 5 3s per game at 40%?
Ya, KD, Grayson, Royce, and Tyus…only 2 guys shot better than Grayson on the list though and it was KD and Zach LaVine
Hot damn
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:08 pm
by AmareIsGod
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:36 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:20 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:19 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 4:17 pm
There was 20 last year, and 4 on our team haha
We had 4 guys who shot 5 3s per game at 40%?
Ya, KD, Grayson, Royce, and Tyus…only 2 guys shot better than Grayson on the list though and it was KD and Zach LaVine
Hot damn
Led to a lot of success and wins.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:06 pm
by Split T
Funny enough if you look at fg% in different zones, we led the league in at rim fg%, led in long 2s(by a mile), think we were 2nd from midrange, and 3rd from 3. It’s kinda mind boggling, but then you remember the defense and the fact that we shot way too many mid range/long 2s
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:18 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:06 pm
Funny enough if you look at fg% in different zones, we led the league in at rim fg%, led in long 2s(by a mile), think we were 2nd from midrange, and 3rd from 3. It’s kinda mind boggling,
but then you remember the defense and the fact that we shot way too many mid range/long 2s
Strange. I don't remember any defense.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:32 pm
by Shabazz
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:06 pm
Funny enough if you look at fg% in different zones, we led the league in at rim fg%, led in long 2s(by a mile), think we were 2nd from midrange, and 3rd from 3. It’s kinda mind boggling, but then you remember the defense and the fact that we shot way too many mid range/long 2s
We were horrible because we consistently got smoked in the possession game. Turned it over a ton but never forced any. Gave up a load of offensive rebounds but never grabbed any.
That and we had no heart or grit and played with no effort or energy.
We could have shot 50/40/90 as a team and it wouldn’t have mattered.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:42 pm
by Split T
Shabazz wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:32 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 7:06 pm
Funny enough if you look at fg% in different zones, we led the league in at rim fg%, led in long 2s(by a mile), think we were 2nd from midrange, and 3rd from 3. It’s kinda mind boggling, but then you remember the defense and the fact that we shot way too many mid range/long 2s
We were horrible because we consistently got smoked in the possession game. Turned it over a ton but never forced any. Gave up a load of offensive rebounds but never grabbed any.
That and we had no heart or grit and played with no effort or energy.
We could have shot 50/40/90 as a team and it wouldn’t have mattered.
Yes the possession battle too
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:34 am
by Mori Chu
Yeah the 2024-25 Suns could be studied in a lab to understand team chemistry and roster dysfunction. You look at those offensive numbers and wonder how a team that gifted could end up with such a bad record. But watch one game and the eye test says it all. They didn't care, didn't try, didn't hustle. They just chucked on offense and played lazy, poor defense. Really a waste of a ton of talent.
Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:28 am
by Superbone
Bright Side living up to their name:
The Suns won the Kevin Durant trade, and it’s not even close
Sensational to think this already? I think not. Addition by subtraction is a thing.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2025 ... s-analysis
Let’s just say it plainly: the Phoenix Suns won the Kevin Durant trade. And if that makes you uncomfortable, it probably means you’re still clinging to a version of the team and Kevin Durant that was always more illusion than contender.
The trade wasn’t about disrespecting Kevin Durant. It was about moving on from a failed experiment. And the result? The Suns didn’t just reload. They reimagined their future and came away with something they never could’ve had if they held on to Durant for one more go-around...
Hope.
Let’s break it down piece by piece, and then you tell me if the Suns fleeced the Rockets or not.