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TheOriginalOriginal wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:02 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:59 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:53 pm

Booker said he is done losing. This is a move that helps his cause. End of story.

'bone, you've talked yourself into backing every bad move Ryan has made, so I don't expect anything different with this.

You're on the opposite of the spectrum, so goes the cycle. Same ol s***.

You're right. Despite all the success over these last several years, I still find reason to complain. I don't know what's wrong with me. My apologies.

n4th4n wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:04 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:01 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:58 pm

n4th4n wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:57 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:45 pm

First, I don't think we needed to use all the cap space on signing one guy. I would have preferred to use it on a few low cost guys, like an Anthony Tolliver. I would have looked to use the space to facilitate a trade or two, and then also keep some cap room for an in-season deal.

Wait. So you would have rather spent the money on multiple players who would crowd the roster even more while moving the needle less?

Anthony Tolliver! Lol

I know, silly me, liking a 43% 3-Point shooting from a stretch 4.

He also averaged 3 RPG and had a -.8 DBPM

Anthony Tolliver was on the Suns once. He was maybe the worst power forward to ever get significant minutes. Absolutely useless beyond hitting an occasional 3. PASS

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:18 pm

Ariza/Bender/Chriss/Peters
Jackson/Warren/Dudley/House/King
Ayton/Chandler/Williams?
Booker/Daniels/Reed
Knight/Okobo/Harrison

Looks like Chriss may be the odd man out, hopefully in a deal to get a guard who can contribute.

You forgot about Bridges lol.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:04 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:59 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:53 pm

Booker said he is done losing. This is a move that helps his cause. End of story.

'bone, you've talked yourself into backing every bad move Ryan has made, so I don't expect anything different with this.

Give me a break. Talk about lazy.

Come on 'bone. Let's be real here. You find a way to justify every move, when it goes down. And that's not a criticism or a knock, it is just how you roll. The eternal optimist, and, at worse, the "wait and see" guy.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:55 pm

This is why it is counterproductive to put your GM on the hotseat. Either fire him or be patient. But only smart owners think that way. Only a dumb owner has the replacement and incumbent working together, and only a dumb owner would watch his GM flush a 1st round draft pick and $15 million in cap space down the toilet while we get the sequel to Point Guardians of the Galaxy: The Wings Edition.

it was booker that put mcdo on the hot seat! and replacing him with new gm wont change a thing!

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:07 pm

n4th4n wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:04 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:01 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:58 pm

n4th4n wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:57 pm

Wait. So you would have rather spent the money on multiple players who would crowd the roster even more while moving the needle less?

Anthony Tolliver! Lol

I know, silly me, liking a 43% 3-Point shooting from a stretch 4.

He also averaged 3 RPG and had a -.8 DBPM

Anthony Tolliver was on the Suns once. He was maybe the worst power forward to ever get significant minutes. Absolutely useless beyond hitting an occasional 3. PASS

I know. He does nothing but spot up and shoot threes. How anyone could prefer him over Ariza is baffling to me. I feel like no one here watched the GS/Huston series which was a defensive brawl and Ariza was a freaking gamer during it. Tolliver couldn't have played 15 seconds in that series.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:07 pm

Anthony Tolliver was on the Suns once. He was maybe the worst power forward to ever get significant minutes. Absolutely useless beyond hitting an occasional 3. PASS

That's fine. Just one name I threw out there. And even if we went that direction, we're not talking about a move that absorbs all of our cap space. He made $3.3 million last year for crying out loud.

n4th4n wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:12 pm

How anyone could prefer him over Ariza is baffling to me.

It is hardly an either/or proposition, but I understand the convenience of painting it that way.

Well despite being encouraged by 'Bone and Mori when I activated my account to not be afraid to speak my mind and challenge the hierarchy on here....
I still prefer to lay in the shadows and stay out of some of these debates. Don't really get some of the Ariza reaction but hey it's pretty much normal behaviour going on in this thread tonight tbh. I am guessing some kinda trade might still be happening also so I'm still in wait and see mode, so I will just be here chilling listening/reading my Suns family "uncles and cousins" arguing and going at it #normalfamilygathering

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:05 pm

The biggest problem with last year was being forced to play the young guys because we had nobody else.

The biggest problem last year was that the roster wasn't good.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:13 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:07 pm

Anthony Tolliver was on the Suns once. He was maybe the worst power forward to ever get significant minutes. Absolutely useless beyond hitting an occasional 3. PASS

That's fine. Just one name I threw out there. And even if we went that direction, we're not talking about a move that absorbs all of our cap space. He made $3.3 million last year for crying out loud.

Dude, to win games you have to have good players. You can’t field a team of “future first round picks.”

Bit players like Anthony Tolliver and UDFAs are a total waste of space. They should never be signed, because if they’re on the court you’re getting killed. That seems to be your entire game plan.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:14 pm

n4th4n wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:12 pm

How anyone could prefer him over Ariza is baffling to me.

It is hardly an either/or proposition, but I understand the convenience of painting it that way.

It's not an argument of convenience when people complain about "wasting our cap space" on a 1-year deal for Ariza without offering any viable alternatives.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:07 pm

TheOriginalOriginal wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:02 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:59 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:53 pm

Booker said he is done losing. This is a move that helps his cause. End of story.

'bone, you've talked yourself into backing every bad move Ryan has made, so I don't expect anything different with this.

You're on the opposite of the spectrum, so goes the cycle. Same ol s***.

You're right. Despite all the success over these last several years, I still find reason to complain. I don't know what's wrong with me. My apologies.

I'm just stating the obvious.

I guess we should've used the cap space on do it all F Paul Zipser.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:17 pm

That seems to be your entire game plan.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:03 pm

n4th4n wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:01 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:59 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:53 pm

Booker said he is done losing. This is a move that helps his cause. End of story.

'bone, you've talked yourself into backing every bad move Ryan has made, so I don't expect anything different with this.

While you would still be complaining about "bad moves" even if we were throwing a championship parade.

Ryan hasn't given much reason to be positive over.

You mean the fantastic last 8 years don't have you excited?

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:17 pm

Bit players like Anthony Tolliver and UDFAs are a total waste of space. They should never be signed

Like Quinn Cook? Luc Richard Mbah a Moute? Gerald Green? Nick Young?

Pretty sure I just saw all of them play meaningful minutes on the two best teams in the league.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:19 pm

I guess we should've used the cap space on do it all F Paul Zipser.

Yeah, because he would have cost $15 million.

You're really reaching...

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:22 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:17 pm

Bit players like Anthony Tolliver and UDFAs are a total waste of space. They should never be signed

Like Quinn Cook? Luc Richard Mbah a Moute? Gerald Green? Nick Young?

Pretty sure I just saw all of them play meaningful minutes on the two best teams in the league.

You can afford to play these types when you have them surrounded by stars that let them play to their 1 strength. You don't put these turds on bad teams, good teams can mask their weaknesses.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:23 pm

TheOriginalOriginal wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:19 pm

I guess we should've used the cap space on do it all F Paul Zipser.

Yeah, because he would have cost $15 million.

You're really reaching...

So your strategy is to spread that 15 million around on MORE players who are, to a man, WORSE AT BASKETBALL? That results in less talent and a roster that is even more crowded!

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:23 pm

TheOriginalOriginal wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:19 pm

I guess we should've used the cap space on do it all F Paul Zipser.

Yeah, because he would have cost $15 million.

You're really reaching...

If we spent ANY money on Zipser it would've been a waste, he is garbage. You would've applauded that move though because he's one of your guys.