Re: Suns sign Rubio
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:44 pm
Oh well. Rubio isn't some grand prize. If there is another team willing to pay him that, then wish him the best and let him be on his way.
Oh well. Rubio isn't some grand prize. If there is another team willing to pay him that, then wish him the best and let him be on his way.
I don't think there will be a pay raise for him on the open market. Money is going really fast, and there are still more point guards out there, most of them held in higher regard than Smith. We'll see what he ends up going for.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:41 pmEven better. Where are you getting your numbers then? He was on a bargain 3 year contract. You know he's going to get paid by somebody so how the heck are you coming up with 13 million per season if it was 11 per season during the Ish Smith bargain years?
Who do you get then? We suck Informer. We've been a laughingstock organization for years. You don't just snatch up franchise players in the off-season. You work towards respectability. That's what I see us doing. I guess you and others expect us to make franchise altering moves for superstar talent because those guys are lining up to listen to the Suns offers.
How many years are we going to keep hearing this? Its been TEN YEARS.The Bobster wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:15 pmPeople prefer to think they can just go and initiate any trade they want for any player they want. Sometimes of the time the price is just too steep, sometimes the players really aren't available, sometimes there really isn't any interest to begin with.
Just stating my thoughts. Never said I thought I could think it into existence. Obviously signing a guy right away means you’re going to have to overpay a bit to get that commitment. I think it would have been worth waiting as I don’t really see another team out there that would have snatched Rubio from us. But you never know, so yes, you’d be risking him going elsewhere, but I would have taken that risk.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:40 pmWaiting out players indicates a disinterest. There's so much more that goes into all of this behind the scenes. If it was as easy as sitting back, watching FA's get snatched up and then seeing if a player is willing to wait out your lower offer, especially being a bottom 3 team year in and year out. It's laughable how many fans play armchair GM and think it's as easy as thinking things into existence.Split T wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:33 pmI’m not sure who else was going to sign him. 3/51 was probably the price to sign immediately, but I think we could have waited him out and got him for like 3/42Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:16 pmYou'd have to think that they tried to get him on a cap friendly of a contract as possible. I mean, that's why it's a negotiation, right?
Ultimately, when you're a laughing stock of the league, you have to overpay or out smart everyone.
This. Fans are funny.The Bobster wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:15 pmPeople prefer to think they can just go and initiate any trade they want for any player they want. Sometimes of the time the price is just too steep, sometimes the players really aren't available, sometimes there really isn't any interest to begin with.
If you think that's what I think, you haven't been paying attention. There wasn't a franchise player out there for the Suns. I have no problem working towards respectability. Just be smart about it. Investing all of your available cap space in a mediocre point guard is not smart.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:48 pmWho do you get then? We suck Informer. We've been a laughingstock organization for years. You don't just snatch up franchise players in the off-season. You work towards respectability. That's what I see us doing. I guess you and others expect us to make franchise altering moves for superstar talent because those guys are lining up to listen to the Suns offers.
STOP LOOKING AT HIM!!!Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:50 pmGuys... Help ... It's been more than 4 hours and I am still fully erect. What do I do?
The Jazz also gave up 2 1sts for Conley and are paying him 66 million over 2 years. Rubio is better than Ball and the pelicans gave up AD to get him. Boston has to lose Horford and Kyrie to get kemba. The nets are in the largest market in the country. And the warriors got Russell because they lost Durant. We probably could have gotten Russell if we were willing to lose Booker.da_suns_fan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:49 pmHow many years are we going to keep hearing this? Its been TEN YEARS.The Bobster wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:15 pmPeople prefer to think they can just go and initiate any trade they want for any player they want. Sometimes of the time the price is just too steep, sometimes the players really aren't available, sometimes there really isn't any interest to begin with.
The Jazz got Conley. The Pelicans got Ball. The Celtics got Kemba walker. The Nets got Kyrie Irving.
THE WARRIORS had no cap space and somehow got Russell. The Suns get Rubio and excuses.
I'm with ya, AIG. Rubio is a nice stop-gap measure while we groom our PG of the future. I understand next year's class is stock full of them. Finally time to start winning some games. It's about damn time! Let's develop that winning culture.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:03 pmI'm actually optimistic about the moves we've made and the improvement we should expect next season. Prized coach, rookies that should contribute right away, improved PG situation and a few more moves to come. What is everyone else here expecting? AD, Kawhi, Kyrie...? I'm baffled how people here can be so up in arms and seemingly destroyed by the moves we've made.
Yep, gotta start somewhere. Sometime. We wasted a bunch of years under McD because he couldn't build a team. Only assemble analytics.The Bobster wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:06 pmThey aren't going to fix this overnight, let's just hope this offseason is getting it headed in the right direction. I'd be happy with 30 wins.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:03 pmI'm actually optimistic about the moves we've made and the improvement we should expect next season. Prized coach, rookies that should contribute right away, improved PG situation and a few more moves to come. What is everyone else here expecting? AD, Kawhi, Kyrie...? I'm baffled how people here can be so up in arms and seemingly destroyed by the moves we've made.
The first was the 23rd pick in the last draft and the other is a protected 2020 pick.Split T wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:55 pmThe Jazz also gave up 2 1sts for Conley and are paying him 66 million over 2 years. Rubio is better than Ball and the pelicans gave up AD to get him. Boston has to lose Horford and Kyrie to get kemba. The nets are in the largest market in the country. And the warriors got Russell because they lost Durant. We probably could have gotten Russell if we were willing to lose Booker.da_suns_fan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:49 pmHow many years are we going to keep hearing this? Its been TEN YEARS.The Bobster wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:15 pmPeople prefer to think they can just go and initiate any trade they want for any player they want. Sometimes of the time the price is just too steep, sometimes the players really aren't available, sometimes there really isn't any interest to begin with.
The Jazz got Conley. The Pelicans got Ball. The Celtics got Kemba walker. The Nets got Kyrie Irving.
THE WARRIORS had no cap space and somehow got Russell. The Suns get Rubio and excuses.
Apparently James Dolan wasn't prepared to offer Durant the max, if you can believe it!Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:16 pmYou'd have to think that they tried to get him on a cap friendly of a contract as possible. I mean, that's why it's a negotiation, right?
Ultimately, when you're a laughing stock of the league, you have to overpay or out smart everyone.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make here.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:58 pmI guess the Suns aren't aware of which FA's and their agents are wanting to setup a meeting with the Suns. Every FA is having their agent reach out to the Suns and we're foolishly turning them down so we can rush to sign Rubio. Am I getting that right? We're a hot destination.
Because we did the equivalent this off-season. Got it. Rubio = Ariza. Both are overpriced PG's.
If that's what you think then you don't actually read Info's posts. His team building philosophy is like the opposite of that.AmareIsGod wrote: I guess you and others expect us to make franchise altering moves for superstar talent because those guys are lining up to listen to the Suns offers.