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Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:27 am
by Split T
Great post Mori…people who don’t like it are just reaching for things to hate.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:29 am
by JeremyG
Here is an outside perspective from a neutral observer:


Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:36 am
by specialsauce
Split T wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:27 am
Great post Mori…people who don’t like it are just reaching for things to hate.
It's okay to disagree without labeling.


You guys are just blinded homers always attached to the Suns players. This is the same group that busted for Kelly Oubre and was devastated to see him gone. Of course you guys wouldn't be able to think rationally about this.

I can label too!

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:47 am
by Split T
specialsauce wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:36 am
Split T wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:27 am
Great post Mori…people who don’t like it are just reaching for things to hate.
It's okay to disagree without labeling.


You guys are just blinded homers always attached to the Suns players. This is the same group that busted for Kelly Oubre and was devastated to see him gone. Of course you guys wouldn't be able to think rationally about this.

I can label too!
Nah, I’m not even attached to Booker like that. I’m fine considering moving him. The extension actually helps if you want to move him. Trading him after pissing him off by not giving him the extension doesn’t sound like a great plan to me.

And yes, I probably jumped to labeling everyone too easily…my post was mostly for the clear anti Booker members like Jeremy.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:49 am
by Split T
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:29 am
Here is an outside perspective from a neutral observer:

From the same guy who said the CP3 move was terrible and we’d never win a playoff series with him. He also loved the Beal acquisition. Him being against this seems to be a good sign.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:56 am
by specialsauce
Split T wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:47 am
specialsauce wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:36 am
Split T wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 7:27 am
Great post Mori…people who don’t like it are just reaching for things to hate.
It's okay to disagree without labeling.


You guys are just blinded homers always attached to the Suns players. This is the same group that busted for Kelly Oubre and was devastated to see him gone. Of course you guys wouldn't be able to think rationally about this.

I can label too!
Nah, I’m not even attached to Booker like that. I’m fine considering moving him. The extension actually helps if you want to move him. Trading him after pissing him off by not giving him the extension doesn’t sound like a great plan to me.

And yes, I probably jumped to labeling everyone too easily…my post was mostly for the clear anti Booker members like Jeremy.
That's fair.

I would have traded him this offseason if it was my choice.

I agree with you otherwise

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 9:18 am
by Split T
I would have been open to considering it, but with no real way to get our 2026 pick back, I think it makes sense to see what a revamped team around Booker this year looks like.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:18 am
by Carno
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:29 am
Here is an outside perspective from a neutral observer:

Sam Quinn should be on permanent ignore based on this statement: "...Devin Booker as the highest paid player in NBA history for his age-32 and 33 seasons."

Devin Booker will not be the highest paid player in NBA history in 5 years. Lots of other players will have received contracts that will eclipse Booker's by then.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:42 am
by Split T
Ya he’s just always been a hater and he’s using misleading wording to make his stance sound better.

Is there some possible downside here? Of course, there is downside to any contract. He could get hurt or start falling off as a player. He’s better than Bradley Beal was when Beal signed the supermax we are trying to waive and stretch, but that’s probably the worst case scenario…he can’t stay healthy and his usefulness when he is healthy declines…Embiid another example.

Does anyone have an example of someone between 29-33 that was on a supermax and it was a bad contract because of something non injury related? Outside of an injury, I just don’t see Booker getting to the point where he has negative value because of the money.


Will the suns win a title on this contract? Almost definitely not…but I don’t think not having him improves those chances. We are in a bad situation regardless…we don’t own our own pick until 2032 and there is no feasible way to get more than 2 of them back.

I’m not completely against blowing it up, but you have to get someone for Booker that has a higher ceiling than him. I don’t think that’s likely. Hitting on some of these lesser picks or Jalen Green types then banking on another star wanting to come play with Book in Phoenix just seems like a more likely path to success imo.

And if you want to blow it up…having Booker signed for 4 years makes him easier to trade and gives more leverage to us and will maximize a return. I don’t see the downside here.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:12 pm
by JeremyG
Carno wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:18 am
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:29 am
Here is an outside perspective from a neutral observer:

Sam Quinn should be on permanent ignore based on this statement: "...Devin Booker as the highest paid player in NBA history for his age-32 and 33 seasons."

Devin Booker will not be the highest paid player in NBA history in 5 years. Lots of other players will have received contracts that will eclipse Booker's by then.
If he is earning 35% of the cap in his age-32 season, then there will be nobody eclipsing that in that season. Perhaps someone will earn more the next season.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:14 pm
by Singh
Here's the thing as I see it

1 if you don't sign booker to this extension he now has two years left and he can pull a kd/butler and manipulate a trade. Giving us less of a return now with 5 years of we were to trade him, we hold the cards. Despite 75 m Other teams will trade for him

2. The next star to sign a contract will be more than book so he won't always be the highest paid.

3. I look at it as a percent of the salary cap. Cap goes up percentage goes down.

4. I am definitely a booker homer so I am not interested in trading him. But if we have to at some point we will

5. How many times have we in AZ sports (most often with the cards) said. "Damn we should have signed x. It would have only cost us this"?


Just my view if the situation

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:25 pm
by ShelC
Wait til he signs that 3 year 300mil extension when he's 33.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:52 pm
by Split T
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:12 pm
Carno wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:18 am
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:29 am
Here is an outside perspective from a neutral observer:

Sam Quinn should be on permanent ignore based on this statement: "...Devin Booker as the highest paid player in NBA history for his age-32 and 33 seasons."

Devin Booker will not be the highest paid player in NBA history in 5 years. Lots of other players will have received contracts that will eclipse Booker's by then.
If he is earning 35% of the cap in his age-32 season, then there will be nobody eclipsing that in that season. Perhaps someone will earn more the next season.
Not necessarily true…depends on how the cap grows year to year…if we keep getting 7% raises, guys like Tatum, Embiid, and SGA would actually be above him, because their raises are 8% each year and they’d outpace the salary cap growth.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:52 pm
by Carno
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:12 pm
If he is earning 35% of the cap in his age-32 season, then there will be nobody eclipsing that in that season. Perhaps someone will earn more the next season.
So, when Luka signs his extension, he won't be making more than Booker in 2030? Anthony Edwards won't make more than Booker in 2030 after signing his next extension? Giannis? Jokic? Brown? Wembanyama?

From Copilot. This assumes these players all meet the supermax criteria, which is likely in reach for all of them. Most of these are locks to make more than Booker. Also, I may be missing some players. Someone tell me again why we are worried about this?

2030–31 NBA Salary Projections (Players Earning More Than Devin Booker)
Includes Supermax and Veteran Max Extensions — Contracts Must Be Active That Season
PlayerProjected SalaryContract TypeNotes
Anthony Edwards$98.4 millionSupermax Extension (2029)Year 2 of full supermax
Giannis Antetokounmpo$86.2 millionVeteran Max Extension (2028)Final year of second max deal
Ja Morant$85.0 millionSupermax Extension (2028)Year 3 of supermax; All-NBA qualifier
Nikola Jokić$80.0 millionVeteran Max Extension (2026)Final year of second max deal
Jamal Murray$80.0 millionVeteran Max Extension (2026)Final year of projected deal
Donovan Mitchell$80.0–82.0 millionVeteran Max Extension (2028)First year of second max deal
De’Aaron Fox$79.5 millionVeteran Max Extension (2025)Final year of current deal
Darius Garland$78.0–80.0 millionSupermax Extension (2028)First year assuming All-NBA qualifier
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander$78.8 millionSupermax Extension (2025)Final year of full supermax
Luka Dončić$78.1 millionSupermax Extension (2025)Final year of full supermax
Jaylen Brown$75.8–77.0 millionVeteran Max Extension (2029)First year of second max deal
Jalen Williams$75.9 millionSupermax Extension (2027)4th year assuming All-NBA qualifier
Devin Booker: $75.5 million
Final year of his veteran max extension signed in 2025.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:22 pm
by Superbone
Carno wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:18 am
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:29 am
Here is an outside perspective from a neutral observer:
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Sam Quinn should be on permanent ignore based on this statement: "...Devin Booker as the highest paid player in NBA history for his age-32 and 33 seasons."

Devin Booker will not be the highest paid player in NBA history in 5 years. Lots of other players will have received contracts that will eclipse Booker's by then.
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. What a stupid and just flat out wrong take. How anybody could take that seriously is beyond me.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:27 pm
by Superbone
Carno wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:52 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:12 pm
If he is earning 35% of the cap in his age-32 season, then there will be nobody eclipsing that in that season. Perhaps someone will earn more the next season.
So, when Luka signs his extension, he won't be making more than Booker in 2030? Anthony Edwards won't make more than Booker in 2030 after signing his next extension? Giannis? Jokic? Brown? Wembanyama?

From Copilot. This assumes these players all meet the supermax criteria, which is likely in reach for all of them. Most of these are locks to make more than Booker. Also, I may be missing some players. Someone tell me again why we are worried about this?

2030–31 NBA Salary Projections (Players Earning More Than Devin Booker)
Includes Supermax and Veteran Max Extensions — Contracts Must Be Active That Season
PlayerProjected SalaryContract TypeNotes
Anthony Edwards$98.4 millionSupermax Extension (2029)Year 2 of full supermax
Giannis Antetokounmpo$86.2 millionVeteran Max Extension (2028)Final year of second max deal
Ja Morant$85.0 millionSupermax Extension (2028)Year 3 of supermax; All-NBA qualifier
Nikola Jokić$80.0 millionVeteran Max Extension (2026)Final year of second max deal
Jamal Murray$80.0 millionVeteran Max Extension (2026)Final year of projected deal
Donovan Mitchell$80.0–82.0 millionVeteran Max Extension (2028)First year of second max deal
De’Aaron Fox$79.5 millionVeteran Max Extension (2025)Final year of current deal
Darius Garland$78.0–80.0 millionSupermax Extension (2028)First year assuming All-NBA qualifier
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander$78.8 millionSupermax Extension (2025)Final year of full supermax
Luka Dončić$78.1 millionSupermax Extension (2025)Final year of full supermax
Jaylen Brown$75.8–77.0 millionVeteran Max Extension (2029)First year of second max deal
Jalen Williams$75.9 millionSupermax Extension (2027)4th year assuming All-NBA qualifier
Devin Booker: $75.5 million
Final year of his veteran max extension signed in 2025.
Carno brings a gun to a knife fight. :D This was over before it started.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:39 pm
by JeremyG
Carno wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:52 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:12 pm
If he is earning 35% of the cap in his age-32 season, then there will be nobody eclipsing that in that season. Perhaps someone will earn more the next season.
So, when Luka signs his extension, he won't be making more than Booker in 2030? Anthony Edwards won't make more than Booker in 2030 after signing his next extension? Giannis? Jokic? Brown? Wembanyama?

From Copilot. This assumes these players all meet the supermax criteria, which is likely in reach for all of them. Most of these are locks to make more than Booker. Also, I may be missing some players. Someone tell me again why we are worried about this?

2030–31 NBA Salary Projections (Players Earning More Than Devin Booker)
That’s two years after what I said (2028-29), and Booker is not even signed yet for 2030-31.

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:44 pm
by JeremyG
Split T wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:52 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 12:12 pm
Carno wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:18 am
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:29 am
Here is an outside perspective from a neutral observer:

Sam Quinn should be on permanent ignore based on this statement: "...Devin Booker as the highest paid player in NBA history for his age-32 and 33 seasons."

Devin Booker will not be the highest paid player in NBA history in 5 years. Lots of other players will have received contracts that will eclipse Booker's by then.
If he is earning 35% of the cap in his age-32 season, then there will be nobody eclipsing that in that season. Perhaps someone will earn more the next season.
Not necessarily true…depends on how the cap grows year to year…if we keep getting 7% raises, guys like Tatum, Embiid, and SGA would actually be above him, because their raises are 8% each year and they’d outpace the salary cap growth.
Those guys are all locked in for lower salaries than Booker that season already.

If anything, a lower cap projection will just mean that nobody will even be able to equal Booker’s salary in the 2028-29 season (his age-32 season).

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 1:56 pm
by Split T
Booker is not locked in for a salary at all, but Spotrac estimates 64 and 69 million. Tatum and Embiid make 67 in 28-29. Tatum is 71 in 29-30.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id ... vin-booker

Re: 2025 Suns Offeason News

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 2:48 pm
by TOO
The salaries fluctuate based on the cap, why is this so hard?