Russia/Ukraine

[Nodack]

You really believe this?
Why hasn't Russia turned off the water and power of Ukraine and Kyiv? Seems like you would do that if you did a massive "invasion" to murder their people.

I don't know? War is complicated? Why is "invasion" in quotes? Do you think it is not an invasion? If so, what do you think Russia has done to Ukraine exactly? What words would you use to describe it?

It's because it's not an invasion. They aren't invading to punish and murder the Ukrainian people. These are precision attacks at military targets with respect to keeping civilian casualties at a bare minimum. Who does it hurt if they shut down the water and electricity? The people.

Are they indiscriminately bombing the city or cities to get mass casualties and force Zelensky to surrender? No, that's pretty obvious. Ukraine is a beautiful country and they aren't trying to turn it into a 3rd world hell hole.

You seriously can not believe a thing that's being told by the media.

Why? You are obviously believing the pro Russian media. How is your pro-Russia media any more honest than the West media? Your info always comes from some tweet by some guy nobody has ever heard of that you consider iron clad evidence because it came from some dude on the internet. You are obviously getting your info from somewhere. It wasn’t an invasion? They INVADED with their military and are trying to take over another country. In your bizarro world Russia is just sending in peacekeepers to help the Ukrainian people and is not invading. To the rest of the planet it was an invasion.

[Mori Chu]

It's because it's not an invasion. They aren't invading to punish and murder the Ukrainian people. These are precision attacks at military targets with respect to keeping civilian casualties at a bare minimum. Who does it hurt if they shut down the water and electricity? The people.

Are they indiscriminately bombing the city or cities to get mass casualties and force Zelensky to surrender? No, that's pretty obvious. Ukraine is a beautiful country and they aren't trying to turn it into a 3rd world hell hole.

You seriously can not believe a thing that's being told by the media.

Why has Russia surrounded Kyiv? Why are they attacking Kharkiv?

Even if Russia were just attacking military targets, what exactly justifies their doing so? When is it okay to attack a neighboring country's "military targets"? Did Ukraine do something to Russia that justifies such an attack?

[Mori Chu]

Are all of these areas military targets? (Image courtesy Washington Post)

[In2ition]

You really believe this?
Why hasn't Russia turned off the water and power of Ukraine and Kyiv? Seems like you would do that if you did a massive "invasion" to murder their people.

I don't know? War is complicated? Why is "invasion" in quotes? Do you think it is not an invasion? If so, what do you think Russia has done to Ukraine exactly? What words would you use to describe it?

It's because it's not an invasion. They aren't invading to punish and murder the Ukrainian people. These are precision attacks at military targets with respect to keeping civilian casualties at a bare minimum. Who does it hurt if they shut down the water and electricity? The people.

Are they indiscriminately bombing the city or cities to get mass casualties and force Zelensky to surrender? No, that's pretty obvious. Ukraine is a beautiful country and they aren't trying to turn it into a 3rd world hell hole.

You seriously can not believe a thing that's being told by the media.

Why? You are obviously believing the pro Russian media. How is your pro-Russia media any more honest than the West media? Your info always comes from some tweet by some guy nobody has ever heard of that you consider iron clad evidence because it came from some dude on the internet. You are obviously getting your info from somewhere. It wasn’t an invasion? They INVADED with their military and are trying to take over another country. In your bizarro world Russia is just sending in peacekeepers to help the Ukrainian people and is not invading. To the rest of the planet it was an invasion.

So ad hominine attacks on me now?

So if they send in troops into the areas, where the Ukrainian government has been murdering people for the last 8 yrs and that voted to separate themselves from Ukraine, that are there to protect the Ukrainian people is invading? I guess it's ok that the Ukraine should be allowed to kill their own people and how dare that Putin comes in to protect them.

I don't give a rip what EVERYONE else believes, if they believe a bunch of lies.

[In2ition]

It's because it's not an invasion. They aren't invading to punish and murder the Ukrainian people. These are precision attacks at military targets with respect to keeping civilian casualties at a bare minimum. Who does it hurt if they shut down the water and electricity? The people.

Are they indiscriminately bombing the city or cities to get mass casualties and force Zelensky to surrender? No, that's pretty obvious. Ukraine is a beautiful country and they aren't trying to turn it into a 3rd world hell hole.

You seriously can not believe a thing that's being told by the media.

Why has Russia surrounded Kyiv? Why are they attacking Kharkiv?

Even if Russia were just attacking military targets, what exactly justifies their doing so? When is it okay to attack a neighboring country's "military targets"? Did Ukraine do something to Russia that justifies such an attack?

Did you not watch the first video I posted?

[Mori Chu]

Side note, this picture made me chuckle:

[Mori Chu]

Also, In2, you seem to be saying that Russia would shut off utilities to UKR if it were truly an invasion. I do think they've cut off some services. Here it looks like RU has cut Internet broadband access off to parts of UKR:

[Mori Chu]

Did you not watch the first video I posted?

I watched part of it, but I'd like to hear in your own words. What do you feel Ukraine has done that justifies Russian military entering their country and attacking? Can you please clarify?

[In2ition]

Also, In2, you seem to be saying that Russia would shut off utilities to UKR if it were truly an invasion. I do think they've cut off some services. Here it looks like RU has cut Internet broadband access off to parts of UKR:

Are you saying that if you got cut off from the internet that you would die? Power, food and water, meh, but damn, they cut off the internet. FML

[In2ition]

Did you not watch the first video I posted?

I watched part of it, but I'd like to hear in your own words. What do you feel Ukraine has done that justifies Russian military entering their country and attacking? Can you please clarify?

Just watch it yourself. I'm not going to do it justice. Then debate the substance of it, instead of what you think I think or what you think my interpretation is.

[Mori Chu]

Just watch it yourself. I'm not going to do it justice. Then debate the substance of it, instead of what you think I think or what you think my interpretation is.

Respectfully, I'm working. I can read posts and think about them and reply. But you posted like half an hour of YouTube videos that I won't be able to watch fully anytime soon. Plus, if you believe these videos, I'd think you would be able to summarize them in your own words. I am interested in what you think, since I respect you and your views, more than what Random YouTube guy thinks.

[Indy]

Did you not watch the first video I posted?

I watched part of it, but I'd like to hear in your own words. What do you feel Ukraine has done that justifies Russian military entering their country and attacking? Can you please clarify?

He doesn't speak in his own words. He uses posts from twitter to speak for him. Then when you say they are speaking for him, he says "I was just posting that for discussion!!" and almost never says what he thinks.

But he keeps posting pro-Russian disinfo, so it is clearly working on a lot of the pro-Trump folks. Hmm.

[AmareIsGod]

In2ition, Ukraine's has been denuclearized for awhile. To claim this whole thing is to prevent nukes from existing in Ukraine is beyond far fetched. If that was the reason, why hasn't Putin said anything at all alluding to that? It's not MSM changing the narrative. Foreign and independent news publications have nothing from Putin or anyone connecting those dots.

As everyone has stated, why have the majority of countries aligned with and sided with Ukraine and provided aid? Look at the countries bordering Ukraine. Think of how much easier it would be for Putin to further invade after over taking Ukraine.

Besides any of this, you've never bothered to address this, which I posted 4 pages back. You'd be obtuse to not connect the dots on Putin following what I shared nearly to a tee, which has led us exactly to where we are today. Simply coincidental how it's all played out?

This is one part of a plan popularized in Russia since Dugin wrote The Foundation of Geopolitics in 1997. This book has influence within the Russian military, police and foreign policy elites and has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military

Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics".

Also includes:

The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".

[AmareIsGod]

Also, In2, you seem to be saying that Russia would shut off utilities to UKR if it were truly an invasion. I do think they've cut off some services. Here it looks like RU has cut Internet broadband access off to parts of UKR:

Are you saying that if you got cut off from the internet that you would die? Power, food and water, meh, but damn, they cut off the internet. FML

Removing internet access is a great way to prevent Ukrainians from sharing what's going on or accessing information about what's going on. If you can't control citizens ability to use social media to share what's going on, just take away their internet capabilities. Is that hard to comprehend?

It's amazing the difference between you and my dad, who I closely aligned your ideology with. He's a huge Trump supporter and we never see eye to eye, though I respect listening to him, just as I respect listening to you, even if you post some outlandish shit. However, he doesn't agree at all with this invasion and can see how terrible of a person and dictator Putin is. If it wasn't clear to you the reality of that, explain to me why Russian citizens are also protesting this situation? It's not a unified overtaking of Ukraine where Russians are in agreement and want this to happen. It's the powers that be in Russia that are doing this. It's the military taking orders from Putin.

Excuse my French but what you are sharing and aligning to are fucking lunacy right now.

[Split T]

My family is mostly very conservative and almost all think Russia is very much in the wrong here. I have a crazy aunt who thinks Putin is a good person and is just getting rid of the “deep state” in Ukraine.

She also believes Biden is dead and we just see some guy in a mask. Thinks the world is flat. She’s the only person I personally know that supports Russia in this war and based on her and the wackos(Gosar, Greene) in politics that support Russia and Putin, it’s hard for me to take anyone seriously who supports Russia/Putin.

I would entertain reading more about the accusations that Ukraine is murdering the Russian people in the Donetsk region. Nothing I’ve looked up gives any credibility to that though and that still doesn’t justify Russia invading Kiev.

[AmareIsGod]

I'm willing to back pedal some if the majority of what he says is true. I will fairly admit I am not aware of the longstanding history of events in Russia and Ukraine, but he lays out a narrative that is worth listening to, in which case, it's hard to comprehend why so many countries are aligning with Ukraine if this is actually a targeted operation by Putin and the Russian military not meant to harm and kill innocent Ukrainians but instead create stability in the region.

If what I've been led to believe, which aligns with many of the people I associate with and what many media outlets have been sharing with the world, is wrong, I owe you an apology In2ition for some of my aggressive language and takes towards you.

Everything above being said, I don't think it justifies a full invasion of Kiev, for example. Though I am removed from that part of the world and that history. It's also difficult to look at Putin as someone that is doing the right thing here based on his past.

[Mori Chu]

[Split T]

It does bug me that the people who really are going to suffer from this(outside of the obvious Ukrainian people) is the ordinary Russian citizens…many who are also against the war. You’d like to think Putin cares about them, but I’m not sure he does.

[Superbone]

Unbelievable. What has happened to this country? It's a massive brainwashing the likes of which we have never seen. It's a cult on a major scale.

Yes, you are in a cult. The brainwashing has been complete.

Bless your little heart.

[In2ition]

Unbelievable. What has happened to this country? It's a massive brainwashing the likes of which we have never seen. It's a cult on a major scale.

Yes, you are in a cult. The brainwashing has been complete.

Bless your little heart.