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Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:27 pm
by Split T
I'd definitely give the bucks their pick back for Brogdon, but they wouldn't trade him for Bledsoe. Don't think they trade him now.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:24 pm
by Mori Chu
Slightly disconcerting that Brogdon's assists dropped this past season (from 4.2 to 3.2) despite his minutes going up (from 26 to 30 mpg). I didn't watch almost any Bucks games last year, so I dunno if he was just used differently or what.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... dma01.html
I have also heard us attached to rumors about TJ McConnell. Slightly better assist numbers and also better shooting percentages, though in fewer minutes (22 mpg).
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... ntj01.html
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:38 pm
by Split T
Just Bledsoe coming in and taking over more ball handling duties
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:21 pm
by In2ition
JCSunsfan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:28 am
I don't think the Suns make this trade unless they believe Shaq Harrison is a better option for the starting pg than BK. That doesn't mean they aren't still shopping for a starting pg. Harrison is so intriguing for this team though.
1. When he was on the court last year for the Suns, he was a difference maker. He impacts the pg position like PJ Tucker impacts the forward position.
2. His defense and hustle are phenomenal.
3. He is a good passer, not great but good.
4. He is a top level athlete with speed and hops. He also has great size for a pg.
5. His motor is tops.
His problem is his shot. He shot in the low 20's from three last season. But don't look now, he shot 44% from three during summer league (he only put up 9 but still). If he can put up 35% or so from three when he is open, I do not see why he might not be our best option to start at pg--even among many of the players we are talking about trading for.
I could see this and word is that Shaq shot very well at another NBA skill camp after summer league. I think the thing that I'm most worried about with Shaq is his ability to get the ball into the post, but that might be a little of both Ayton and him getting the chemistry down. Besides, young players don't learn how to pass into the post anymore. It's just not part the the game growing up.
I really see the Suns improving a lot on both offense and defense this year. I know a lot of smart basketball people and comically puzzled and laughing at the roster construction, and mostly because of the PG position. I still think that McD makes a move for a starting PG, but we will find out that the young guys are going to be able to play and defend.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:37 pm
by Split T
Gambo says we've discussed Cory Joseph, Pat Beverley, and Spencer Dinwiddie
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:07 pm
by Mori Chu
Split T wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:37 pm
Gambo says we've discussed Cory Joseph, Pat Beverley, and Spencer Dinwiddie
Not shooting the messenger here, but I don't like any of those guys. If our targeted veteran PGs are that marginal, we might as well just use the existing marginal PGs we already have. Or run point Booker, or whatever other foul experiment we may have planned.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:17 pm
by Split T
Beverley would be a 1 year place holder. I'd be a little worried he's not the same player, but if he can be the defensive hound that shoots 40% from 3 that he was in Houston, I'd take him.
I'm pretty meh on Joseph.
Dinwiddie is interesting, he's got size and playmaking. Not sure how he is as a defender and his shot isn't as good as I'd like, but there's something to like there. I think he'd cost more than the other two though.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:10 pm
by Shabazz
I like Dinwiddie. A little too much ball-pounding for a PG but he’s very solid.
The Nets have 3 PGs, so he’s gettable.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:47 pm
by Wormwood
Dinwiddie is a top level passer, poor shooter, and average defender.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:48 pm
by Cap
Dinwiddie is fun to say, isn’t it? Dinwiddie, Dinwiddie, Dinwiddie.
Here, take a toke.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:28 am
by Ring_Wanted
Dinwiddie--Beverly----Joseph would be my order.
I love how Dinwiddie takes care of the ball and obviously his size for the position. His contract status is tricky, though. He'll become an UFA, but the team can negotiate an extension.
Beverly has the cache as the ultimate 3D point but health is not proven. Joseph is all around reliable, doesn't excel at anything and is probably over his head as a starter (I'd rather have Collison but I guess so would Indiana, unless they wanted to give the starting spot to Holiday right off the bat).
Would also call Minni about Ty Jones (but I've read they want to actually increase his role) and even CLE about George Hill (under contract for '19-20 at 19M but only 1M guaranteed).
In any case, just don't spend the MIL on a rental.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:47 am
by ShelC
In any case, just don't spend the MIL on a rental.
This is my concern. We're going to give up something of value for another backup PG. Last week McD was supposedly targeting Lillard, Kemba and Rozier but probably got laughed off the phone by the other teams. Now he's calling about backups and a guy coming off microfracture surgery and a torn meniscus. Beverly was cleared in June but microfracture alone is no joke. He also hasn't exactly been an ironman during his career either. This a position McD puts us in too many times. Keep the picks, bring Chalmers or Jack in and call it a day.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:43 am
by Ring_Wanted
ShelC wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:47 am
...bring Chalmers or Jack in...
Ugh. Somebody has to be willing to give us something better for one or two seconds. Otherwise I think I'd just go with Canaan and the kids.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:27 am
by JCSunsfan
That’s easy. Brogdon played more minutes at the sg position alongside Bledsoe.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:32 am
by JCSunsfan
In2ition wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:21 pm
JCSunsfan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:28 am
I don't think the Suns make this trade unless they believe Shaq Harrison is a better option for the starting pg than BK. That doesn't mean they aren't still shopping for a starting pg. Harrison is so intriguing for this team though.
1. When he was on the court last year for the Suns, he was a difference maker. He impacts the pg position like PJ Tucker impacts the forward position.
2. His defense and hustle are phenomenal.
3. He is a good passer, not great but good.
4. He is a top level athlete with speed and hops. He also has great size for a pg.
5. His motor is tops.
His problem is his shot. He shot in the low 20's from three last season. But don't look now, he shot 44% from three during summer league (he only put up 9 but still). If he can put up 35% or so from three when he is open, I do not see why he might not be our best option to start at pg--even among many of the players we are talking about trading for.
I could see this and word is that Shaq shot very well at another NBA skill camp after summer league. I think the thing that I'm most worried about with Shaq is his ability to get the ball into the post, but that might be a little of both Ayton and him getting the chemistry down. Besides, young players don't learn how to pass into the post anymore. It's just not part the the game growing up.
I really see the Suns improving a lot on both offense and defense this year. I know a lot of smart basketball people and comically puzzled and laughing at the roster construction, and mostly because of the PG position. I still think that McD makes a move for a starting PG, but we will find out that the young guys are going to be able to play and defend.
Learning to pass into the post has to be easier than improving your three point shot. Besides, I want Booker making that entry pass.
I would rather have Harrison that Corey Joseph.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:55 pm
by ShelC
McD on the trade:
http://arizonasports.com/story/1661947/ ... ets-trade/
Pretty much says Chriss and Knight didn't fit in with how Igor is going to want to play offensively:
“A big part of it, not only with Marquese but with Brandon as well — with Igor Kokoskov and his staff coming in, they have new philosophies,” he said. “They have a very high-level offensive system that I think our fans will really enjoy watching because it’s pretty impressive and has proven to be effective over time.
“That being said, the pieces have to fit the system and there has to be a role in the system for certain players, and if there’s not a role, we look externally to see if there are players we can bring in to fit the system and play a role better.”
He likes Anderson's shooting ability, Melton's two-way potential. Says Okobo has "looked terrific" in pickup games, Harrison and Canaan played well last year but they all lack experience so they're on the look out.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:47 am
by Indy
Is he saying, look, I liked the guys, but the coach said they wouldn't fit?
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:11 am
by O_Gardino
He's saying, Our new system requires high bball IQ.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:59 am
by Superbone
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:11 am
He's saying, Our new system requires high bball IQ.
And ball movement.
Re: Suns Trade Knight and Chriss for Anderson and Melton
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:04 am
by Superbone
https://twitter.com/AZSports/status/1039876030717034496
"We see more than the public does." Hmm.