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Shabazz wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 5:51 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 5:49 pm

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 5:22 pm

If we're going to move Ayton, I wonder if something that brings back Wendell Carter and Jonathan Isaac would be possible. The cap gymnastics would be tough.

I like WCJ, he's a solid reliable big, but want no parts of Isaac.

If you take away the preacher/anti-Vax stuff, a healthy version of him is such a perfect player for this era at the 4/5.

Seems like a pretty big ‘if’ with him at this point. I prefer the Suns only acquire guys who’s priority is being great at basketball.

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 5:51 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 5:49 pm

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 5:22 pm

If we're going to move Ayton, I wonder if something that brings back Wendell Carter and Jonathan Isaac would be possible. The cap gymnastics would be tough.

I like WCJ, he's a solid reliable big, but want no parts of Isaac.

If you take away the preacher/anti-Vax stuff, a healthy version of him is such a perfect player for this era at the 4/5.

Hasn't played in 2 full years and has a hefty contract. I'd rather keep Ayton.

I’ve come to the conclusion that I’d rather have Ayton on his third contract than his second. He has a lot of growing pains to get through still and he should be much better with his current deficiencies in his late twenties which will better match his production and salary.

I’m not sure it’s good for the competitive balance of the sport, but the player loan system in soccer would be great for the Suns in this situation.

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

Anthony and WCJ are a pretty good haul. Still doesn't solve the issue of needing a third scorer.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

I mean 136 games played over 5 season is pretty awful. Like almost Zion level. I mean if Zion plays next year in 50 games, he will hit that number in 1 less season.

I'm totally out on Isaac, Simmons, Zion, etc. for this Suns team. They can't take that kind of risk if they're also committed to going for a ring with Chris Paul.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:36 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

Anthony and WCJ are a pretty good haul. Still doesn't solve the issue of needing a third scorer.

You gotta hope Cole is that guy

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:44 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:36 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

Anthony and WCJ are a pretty good haul. Still doesn't solve the issue of needing a third scorer.

You gotta hope Cole is that guy

I already know he's not.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

No

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:20 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

No

suggestion?

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:44 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:36 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

Anthony and WCJ are a pretty good haul. Still doesn't solve the issue of needing a third scorer.

You gotta hope Cole is that guy

Cole is a guy, he's probably best as Clarkson type, I wouldnt want him starting for me.

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:20 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:20 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

No

suggestion?

Most of my trades depend on shipping out CP3.

For example, I’d go Paul Ayton and Cam J for Siakam and FVV.

Or Id work a 3 way where Portland gets a pick from LAL, cam J, Westbrook and Ayton while we get Dame Dolla and Little and LA gets CP3.

None of this will happen.

My dream without dealing CP3 is to get Embiid pretending he wants out

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:22 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:44 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:36 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

Anthony and WCJ are a pretty good haul. Still doesn't solve the issue of needing a third scorer.

You gotta hope Cole is that guy

Cole is a guy, he's probably best as Clarkson type, I wouldnt want him starting for me.

Ya 3rd guard seems like his ideal role…doesn’t really get to the rim and is just a so-so shooter. Would need to improve at both of those to be a starter, but he can create shots and would’ve certainly helped as another shot creator against the Mavs. He’s better than Payne and Holiday for sure.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:25 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:20 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:20 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

No

suggestion?

Most of my trades depend on shipping out CP3.

For example, I’d go Paul Ayton and Cam J for Siakam and FVV.

Or Id work a 3 way where Portland gets a pick from LAL, cam J, Westbrook and Ayton while we get Dame Dolla and Little and LA gets CP3.

None of this will happen.

My dream without dealing CP3 is to get Embiid pretending he wants out

Yeah none will happen because there is no way the other team would do it.

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:22 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:44 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:36 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

Anthony and WCJ are a pretty good haul. Still doesn't solve the issue of needing a third scorer.

You gotta hope Cole is that guy

Cole is a guy, he's probably best as Clarkson type, I wouldnt want him starting for me.

I’m not trading Ayton for Cole Anthony. I’d rather max DA.

I'm incredibly depressed. I don't think there's a deal for DA out there. If you look at the returns of S&Ts historically they are not great. We'll get short changed no matter what we do and we are already hemmed in by the salary cap. James Jones will have to pull some magic out of his hat to keep paying Paul his $30M and build a competitive roster that can win with him taking up that much cap space.

carey wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 10:45 pm

I'm incredibly depressed. I don't think there's a deal for DA out there. If you look at the returns of S&Ts historically they are not great. We'll get short changed no matter what we do and we are already hemmed in by the salary cap. James Jones will have to pull some magic out of his hat to keep paying Paul his $30M and build a competitive roster that can win with him taking up that much cap space.

Exactly. People expecting to get back anything close to DA’s value are not living in reality.

I can’t even come up with a similar situation in the past. I don’t think there’s precedent for what we can expect back from Ayton. The only restricted free agents I can think of that were signed and traded are Joe Johnson and Malcolm Brogdon.

JJ returned Diaw and 2 1sts…honestly a pretty good haul.
Brogdon returned a 1st and 2 2nds.

I think Ayton should be more in line with JJ in what he returns, but should return more.

Kristaps Porzingis was traded right before his restricted free agency and got Dennis Smith Jr(middle of year 2 after being a lotto pick) and 2 1sts. Pretty close to the suns return for JJ.

What examples am I forgetting? I know I must be.

I don’t think we have much use for 2 1sts and a young, so-so prospect, but that seems to be the going rate. OKC could definitely put together that offer and we could send those pieces to a 3rd team for a more win now player.

What about Darius Bazely and 3 1sts(since he’s better than JJ and OKC has tons of 1sts anyways) for Ayton?

What could we get with those 1sts?

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 9:38 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 8:22 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:44 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:36 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Ayton for Cole Anthony and WCJ? I’d do that I think…I love the idea of Isaac, but can’t trust his health.

Anthony and WCJ are a pretty good haul. Still doesn't solve the issue of needing a third scorer.

You gotta hope Cole is that guy

Cole is a guy, he's probably best as Clarkson type, I wouldnt want him starting for me.

I’m not trading Ayton for Cole Anthony. I’d rather max DA.

Wendell Carter Jr is the player I’d be making the trade for. Anthony is the sweetener…though after thinking about it more, I don’t think I’d do it. Not really sure Anthony is any good. He can create shots, but not very good at making them. Now if it was Suggs and WCJ, I might do that.