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There are more plays than just those too, he's definitely been dirty at times. Whether you want to call it reckless or dirty is a choice. The Caruso hit was exceptionally dangerous. There have been others where the contact seems pretty incidental but it's just weird that so many of these plays occur with/around Allen.

There are dirty plays from various players around the league, even stars. It just not get a lot of attention unless the player already has a reputation. And it's never showed in replay center or game summaries.
I don't remember well but there was a play where Book went for a dunk and got shoved in the air. Had he not grabbed the basket, he might have been seriously injured. For me, it was more dangerous than what Allen did and... No whistle... (was it against Denver?)

I didn't watch all the videos, for some reason youtube doesn't work. Plays were too physical, but not malicious (well, the trey young one was).
I'd be glad if he doesn't reproduce those things in a suns uni and plays more under control.

IDGAF what Allen has done in the past as long as he doesn't do it in a Suns uniform and keeps driving to the rim like he did yesterday

The Caruso play was an attempt at a block. He just got arm. It’s dramatic because he swung with his other arm while mid air.

Was it wreckless because he missed ball? Yeah. If Caruso didn’t break his wrist, would we be talking about it? No. If he got all ball, would we be talking about it? No.

It was a basketball play.

The Trae Young play is different, that’s Bruce Bowen-esque.

All the tripping in college was bullshit and he deserved a punch for it.

The DeRozan incident? Come on. I like that edge. That wasn’t going to hurt nobody, just a little forearm shiver from an edgy player. Raja clotheslined Kobe. It was a great move.

Hurting someone is bad. Knocking them down and being an irritant/physical player in a role? Every great team needs it.

We’ve had too many children on our squad the last few years.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:00 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:35 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:16 am

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Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:47 am

I would have said yes to trading Allen for TJ right after the trade, but not anymore. Allen is way better than TJ. Also I would not consider Melton and Connaughton point guards. Allen is just as much a Pg as they are.

"He played great! Let's get rid of him."

Seriously, not sure why so many are clamoring for a traditional PG. Let's see how we do as constituted before making big changes. I'd say the starters looked pretty good yesterday. Let's give it a little time before changing it up.

I agree with O. Like I said in the other thread, we don't need Allen. He and Gordon are redundant. We do need a PG. If we can get something more useful for Allen, I would do it.

We needed him yesterday. You hateorade is getting in the way here.

If we need him to beat Detroit in overtime in the regular season, we have a real problem.

We didn't. Did he even play after the third quarter?

No he did not

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:39 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:00 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:35 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:16 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:32 am

"He played great! Let's get rid of him."

Seriously, not sure why so many are clamoring for a traditional PG. Let's see how we do as constituted before making big changes. I'd say the starters looked pretty good yesterday. Let's give it a little time before changing it up.

I agree with O. Like I said in the other thread, we don't need Allen. He and Gordon are redundant. We do need a PG. If we can get something more useful for Allen, I would do it.

We needed him yesterday. You hateorade is getting in the way here.

If we need him to beat Detroit in overtime in the regular season, we have a real problem.

We didn't. Did he even play after the third quarter?

You're the one who claimed we needed him yesterday.

bajanguy008 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:30 pm

Always like EG but he's older now, will still have his moments is what I said when we acquired him

How can the discussion be that Allen isn't necessary when he's better than EG now and our backup guard for Book n Beal

Did you watch him on Team Bahamas? He has a lot left in the tank.

And he's not just a shooter. He drives to the hoop at least as well as Allen does.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 2:19 pm

There are more plays than just those too, he's definitely been dirty at times. Whether you want to call it reckless or dirty is a choice. The Caruso hit was exceptionally dangerous. There have been others where the contact seems pretty incidental but it's just weird that so many of these plays occur with/around Allen.

That's exactly how Pat Bev does it.

TOO wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:21 pm

Jeremy = Let's get rid of a good player for a lesser player because of fit. The irony is delicious. Nom nom nom nom.

I never said to trade him for a lesser player.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:05 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:39 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:00 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:35 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:16 am

I agree with O. Like I said in the other thread, we don't need Allen. He and Gordon are redundant. We do need a PG. If we can get something more useful for Allen, I would do it.

We needed him yesterday. You hateorade is getting in the way here.

If we need him to beat Detroit in overtime in the regular season, we have a real problem.

We didn't. Did he even play after the third quarter?

You're the one who claimed we needed him yesterday.

Gotcha!

Allen looked good. He was my biggest surprise player in a good way. Diop was my biggest surprise player in a bad way. The starters have it going on. That’s one pre season game.

Nodack wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:47 am

Allen looked good. He was my biggest surprise player in a good way. Diop was my biggest surprise player in a bad way. The starters have it going on. That’s one pre season game.

Very observant.

bajanguy008 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:25 pm

I am.being lazy so not gonna YouTube search "G. Allen dirty plays"
I know ppl reference I believe an undercut with Caruso but for those so disgusted with him can y'all drop situations/circumstances
...

Obviously, this is my take on what I see when watching.

It's not the specific dirty plays, it's the way they happen. He loses control of his temper and lashes out. It's different from guys getting chippy in a physical game. Allen loses it without much provocation and acts in a way that seems disproportionate to anything happening around him. Besides that, there were rumors of him hitting his girlfriend in college.

I'm not going to post links or anything, because I don't need to change anyone's mind. This is just my take. He's one of the villains of the league, and I'd rather not have him on my team.

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:36 am

bajanguy008 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:25 pm

I am.being lazy so not gonna YouTube search "G. Allen dirty plays"
I know ppl reference I believe an undercut with Caruso but for those so disgusted with him can y'all drop situations/circumstances
...

Obviously, this is my take on what I see when watching.

It's not the specific dirty plays, it's the way they happen. He loses control of his temper and lashes out. It's different from guys getting chippy in a physical game. Allen loses it without much provocation and acts in a way that seems disproportionate to anything happening around him. Besides that, there were rumors of him hitting his girlfriend in college.

I'm not going to post links or anything, because I don't need to change anyone's mind. This is just my take. He's one of the villains of the league, and I'd rather not have him on my team.

Sounds like your mind is made up. I'm not going to research his past transgressions. I think everybody deserves to mature and grow as a human being over time. I'll judge him from this point forward.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:43 am

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:36 am

bajanguy008 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:25 pm

I am.being lazy so not gonna YouTube search "G. Allen dirty plays"
I know ppl reference I believe an undercut with Caruso but for those so disgusted with him can y'all drop situations/circumstances
...

Obviously, this is my take on what I see when watching.

It's not the specific dirty plays, it's the way they happen. He loses control of his temper and lashes out. It's different from guys getting chippy in a physical game. Allen loses it without much provocation and acts in a way that seems disproportionate to anything happening around him. Besides that, there were rumors of him hitting his girlfriend in college.

I'm not going to post links or anything, because I don't need to change anyone's mind. This is just my take. He's one of the villains of the league, and I'd rather not have him on my team.

Sounds like your mind is made up. I'm not going to research his past transgressions. I think everybody deserves to mature and grow as a human being over time. I'll judge him from this point forward.

I’ll wait for his next screwup and then judge him from the day after that forward.

Preemptive forgiveness? Or just my lazy excuse to procrastinate the hard work of judging someone?

He played well in his first game as a Sun. I didn’t see any dirty stuff. If I see dirty stuff, I will call it out.

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:45 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:43 am

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:36 am

bajanguy008 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:25 pm

I am.being lazy so not gonna YouTube search "G. Allen dirty plays"
I know ppl reference I believe an undercut with Caruso but for those so disgusted with him can y'all drop situations/circumstances
...

Obviously, this is my take on what I see when watching.

It's not the specific dirty plays, it's the way they happen. He loses control of his temper and lashes out. It's different from guys getting chippy in a physical game. Allen loses it without much provocation and acts in a way that seems disproportionate to anything happening around him. Besides that, there were rumors of him hitting his girlfriend in college.

I'm not going to post links or anything, because I don't need to change anyone's mind. This is just my take. He's one of the villains of the league, and I'd rather not have him on my team.

Sounds like your mind is made up. I'm not going to research his past transgressions. I think everybody deserves to mature and grow as a human being over time. I'll judge him from this point forward.

I’ll wait for his next screwup and then judge him from the day after that forward.

Preemptive forgiveness? Or just my lazy excuse to procrastinate the hard work of judging someone?

I'm glad you guys are perfect. I'm still a work in progress and I'm older than both of you. Slow learner, I guess.

It's funny to get all in your feelings about sports. It's just basketball, he hasn't killed or raped anyone. Sheesh.

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:30 pm

It's funny to get all in your feelings about sports. It's just basketball, he hasn't killed or raped anyone. Sheesh.

Heh. That inspired me to look up Jerrod Mustaf in Wikipedia.

He is the former sports ambassador for Gambia, professional NBA Blogger for Supersport/Multivision, Executive Director of the Take Charge Juvenile Diversion Program

How does such a person get such positions?