Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:14 am
Monty has been great, I’m all for locking him up!
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Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:16 am
There’s a zero percent chance that both DA and Monty will finish out their contracts on the Suns.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:21 am
How about letting him prove he can coach in the playoffs before locking him up? He’s been out-coached in basically every playoff series we’ve had (Bucks and Mavs obviously, but certainly Clippers and Pelicans also, we just had way more talent).
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:26 am
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:33 am
Didn't have big man depth against the Bucks. Didn't have guard depth all season this year. Monty can't coach those deficiencies into existence.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:47 am
Ya I think the Dallas series was rough for him but I wouldn’t say he was out coached anywhere else. He was limited by the roster.
My thing is do we really want to go back to an Igor or Hornacek or Gentry when we have a small title window open right now?
Unless there’s a no doubt better coach available, you don’t just ditch a top tier coach. He’s also not like a player where his salary impacts the cap. We can just cut him if we want and hire a new one. For all those, it’s not my money why would I care if Ayton gets a max people, it’s even more true for Monty.
My thing is do we really want to go back to an Igor or Hornacek or Gentry when we have a small title window open right now?
Unless there’s a no doubt better coach available, you don’t just ditch a top tier coach. He’s also not like a player where his salary impacts the cap. We can just cut him if we want and hire a new one. For all those, it’s not my money why would I care if Ayton gets a max people, it’s even more true for Monty.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:07 am
Williams was one of the best things to happen to this team in a long time. He is a leader of men. He is still a work in progress and he'll tell you that. It is not necessary that he has all the tools. You hire solid assistants to help out and fill in the gaps. Losing Green was a big loss that hasn't been talked about enough.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:10 am
Good for Coach Monty. He isn't perfect, but he's done a splendid job here so far. And players like playing for him; he actively makes some players want to come here. He's been just what this team has needed, and I'm happy to hear that we extended him. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:15 am
Here's more on it from Woj:
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:16 am
It's not my money, but a long-term extension makes it more likely they will overlook his deficiencies and less likely they will move on from him when they should. I'm not saying to fire him right now. They could wait another year before extending him, though. It's not like his contract was expiring.Split T wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:47 amYa I think the Dallas series was rough for him but I wouldn’t say he was out coached anywhere else. He was limited by the roster.
My thing is do we really want to go back to an Igor or Hornacek or Gentry when we have a small title window open right now?
Unless there’s a no doubt better coach available, you don’t just ditch a top tier coach. He’s also not like a player where his salary impacts the cap. We can just cut him if we want and hire a new one. For all those, it’s not my money why would I care if Ayton gets a max people, it’s even more true for Monty.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:22 am
It’s just funny that you didn’t have that same opinion about Deandre when we didn’t extend him last summer.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:23 am
From the ESPN article:
It's also interesting to see in the video of his coach of the year presentation from his team that DA leads the break at the end. He mentions "marinization". Did he mean meritization? Even the CC didn't know. After that sentence he says, "Do you understand?" No, DA. We do not.Williams' impact on the Suns' organization has been profound, including a trip to the 2021 NBA Finals and a franchise-record 64 regular-season victories last season. Williams has gone 149-78 (.656) in his three seasons and delivered accountability and purpose to a wayward Suns' program, transforming a team that had won 19 games prior to his arrival into one of the league's best teams.
The Suns last season joined the 1969-70 New York Knicks as the only teams to finish with a better road victory percentage than every other team's home victory percentage in a season. The Suns were 47-0 when leading after three quarters -- the best in the shot-clock era. The only two other teams that went undefeated in that scenario in the regular season both included LeBron James -- the 2017-18 Cleveland Cavaliers and the 2019-20 Los Angeles Lakers.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:24 am
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:29 am
"Among the Suns' regular-season dominance last season:" I've had enough regular season dominance to last me a lifetime! All I care about is the playoffs, and whether you can get the job done in the playoffs.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:23 amFrom the ESPN article:
It's also interesting to see in the video of his coach of the year presentation from his team that DA leads the break at the end. He mentions "marinization". Did he mean meritization? Even the CC didn't know. After that sentence he says, "Do you understand?" No, DA. We do not.Williams' impact on the Suns' organization has been profound, including a trip to the 2021 NBA Finals and a franchise-record 64 regular-season victories last season. Williams has gone 149-78 (.656) in his three seasons and delivered accountability and purpose to a wayward Suns' program, transforming a team that had won 19 games prior to his arrival into one of the league's best teams.
The Suns last season joined the 1969-70 New York Knicks as the only teams to finish with a better road victory percentage than every other team's home victory percentage in a season. The Suns were 47-0 when leading after three quarters -- the best in the shot-clock era. The only two other teams that went undefeated in that scenario in the regular season both included LeBron James -- the 2017-18 Cleveland Cavaliers and the 2019-20 Los Angeles Lakers.
And yeah, DA always leads the huddle. I was going to say a few weeks ago, if DA leaves, who's gonna lead the huddle?
He said "marinatation." He always says to "let it marinate" at the end of a huddle (meaning, soak it in/wait awhile before breaking the huddle), but he usually changes the word to "marinatate" or something similar to make it funny.Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:38 am
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:38 am
Ya gotta start somewhere. Usually, it's not in the Finals like the year before. Golden State set the all-time regular season record and didn't win the championship. But then they added KD and won it all the next year. Sound familiar?JeremyG wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:29 am"Among the Suns' regular-season dominance last season:" I've had enough regular season dominance to last me a lifetime! All I care about is the playoffs, and whether you can get the job done in the playoffs.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:23 amFrom the ESPN article:
It's also interesting to see in the video of his coach of the year presentation from his team that DA leads the break at the end. He mentions "marinization". Did he mean meritization? Even the CC didn't know. After that sentence he says, "Do you understand?" No, DA. We do not.Williams' impact on the Suns' organization has been profound, including a trip to the 2021 NBA Finals and a franchise-record 64 regular-season victories last season. Williams has gone 149-78 (.656) in his three seasons and delivered accountability and purpose to a wayward Suns' program, transforming a team that had won 19 games prior to his arrival into one of the league's best teams.
The Suns last season joined the 1969-70 New York Knicks as the only teams to finish with a better road victory percentage than every other team's home victory percentage in a season. The Suns were 47-0 when leading after three quarters -- the best in the shot-clock era. The only two other teams that went undefeated in that scenario in the regular season both included LeBron James -- the 2017-18 Cleveland Cavaliers and the 2019-20 Los Angeles Lakers.
And yeah, DA always leads the huddle. I was going to say a few weeks ago, if DA leaves, who's gonna lead the huddle?
And thank you for the DA translation. I should have known that YOU of all people would be able to decipher DA-speak!
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:46 am
They did seem to have great team chemistry still in that video and that was the day before game 5 of the Dallas series. I wonder what happened after game 5.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:47 am
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:51 am
It's in part a reward for what he's done in getting the team back to respectability.
But we all know coaches are hired to be fired. There's a good chance he won't make it the length of the contract but with coaches you don;t have to worry about carrying dead salaries on the cap.
Let's hope we're all looking back when he gets his next extension and think this was a bargain though.
But we all know coaches are hired to be fired. There's a good chance he won't make it the length of the contract but with coaches you don;t have to worry about carrying dead salaries on the cap.
Let's hope we're all looking back when he gets his next extension and think this was a bargain though.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:27 pm
Big check-writing month is Arizona Sports -
7/7/22 - Devin Booker, Suns - 4 years, $224 million
7/18/22 - Deandre Ayton, Suns - 4 years, $133 million
7/21/22 - Kyler Murray, Cardinals - 5 years, $230 million
7/23/22 - Druw Jones, Diamondbacks - $8.185 million
7/23/22 - Monty Williams, Suns - ?
7/7/22 - Devin Booker, Suns - 4 years, $224 million
7/18/22 - Deandre Ayton, Suns - 4 years, $133 million
7/21/22 - Kyler Murray, Cardinals - 5 years, $230 million
7/23/22 - Druw Jones, Diamondbacks - $8.185 million
7/23/22 - Monty Williams, Suns - ?