Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:03 pm
I'd argue the denial stretches back 2 years, but I digress.
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TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
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Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:06 pm
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:07 pm
Sure bud... keep telling yourself it was the money saving move.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:10 pm
I was optimistic about Ishbia until he started making money-saving moves like he's Robert Sarver. At least Sarver was willing to pay up to $100M in luxury taxes in order to win a title. Doesn't look like Ishbia is willing to get close to that.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:16 pm
Trying to decide if this will be more like.....
....the Armon Gilliam/Kurt Rambis trade (one underachiever for a better-fitting part)
....the Larry Nance/Kevin Johnson trade (one star player for a bunch of valuable parts)
....the Dennis Johnson/Rick Robey trade (selling low and being very disappointed in the long run)
....the Armon Gilliam/Kurt Rambis trade (one underachiever for a better-fitting part)
....the Larry Nance/Kevin Johnson trade (one star player for a bunch of valuable parts)
....the Dennis Johnson/Rick Robey trade (selling low and being very disappointed in the long run)
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:26 pm
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/
4th in the league in spending… not sure how updated this but yea, ishbia is a total cheap ass. Great point.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:30 pm
Gilliam would seem to be the best fit - a guy who underachieved his draft position and didn't work for what the team was trying to accomplish at the time, for a useful role player that contributed to a winning situation. But in this case, the Suns are also add a solid 7th-8th guy and a youngster with some potential on a good contract.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:16 pmTrying to decide if this will be more like.....
....the Armon Gilliam/Kurt Rambis trade (one underachiever for a better-fitting part)
....the Larry Nance/Kevin Johnson trade (one star player for a bunch of valuable parts)
....the Dennis Johnson/Rick Robey trade (selling low and being very disappointed in the long run)
Nance was a better player than Ayton, but the team also got back some genuine star quality in that trade. I guess it's (just barely) possible that Little is an All-NBA level guy waiting to break out, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
DJ, again, was a better player than Ayton - Finals MVP, All-NBA multiple times, regarded as probably the best backcourt defender in the league. He was somewhat disillusioned (same thing that had happened in Seattle), and the Suns were desperate to try to acquire a viable big man. Larceny ensued.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:50 pm
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:56 pm
I stop checking him cause he would always be off with his Suns news
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:59 pm
Fingers crossed for 1 & 2.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 5:16 pmTrying to decide if this will be more like.....
....the Armon Gilliam/Kurt Rambis trade (one underachiever for a better-fitting part)
....the Larry Nance/Kevin Johnson trade (one star player for a bunch of valuable parts)
....the Dennis Johnson/Rick Robey trade (selling low and being very disappointed in the long run)
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:38 pm
I’m still trying to figure out the logic in your original statement. If I won’t cheer a trade that makes our team worse, then I’m not a Suns fan. Unbelievable.
Is this supposed to be a cult or something? If you don’t cheer on the decisions that the leadership makes, then you’re not a fan?
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:39 pm
It’s amazing, just looking at the comments on the Suns’ Instagram, what this team did to the fanbase. Everyone was excited for this season, perhaps more than any before, and for many (most?) fans that excitement has now been decimated. Now fans are more disgusted, disappointed, and depressed instead. What a way to start off a season.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:40 pm
What the hell did Al McCoy ever do to you, to deserve being called “an old potato”?
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:57 pm
For me, it’s more about it being a completely new team. It’s hard to get excited about rooting for a bunch of players we hardly know. Ayton was frustrating, but it’s the devil we knew.
But he was going to keep us from winning a championship.
It’s basic math.
No team has won a championship with a player on a max contract that wasn’t at least an all star. The only one would be Jamal Murray last year, but he will have a few before nods before too long. Not sure Ayton will ever be an all star. At least hasn’t shown enough to even begin entertaining the idea.
But he was going to keep us from winning a championship.
It’s basic math.
No team has won a championship with a player on a max contract that wasn’t at least an all star. The only one would be Jamal Murray last year, but he will have a few before nods before too long. Not sure Ayton will ever be an all star. At least hasn’t shown enough to even begin entertaining the idea.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:05 pm
A lot of fans have emotional attachments to players, which it seems many Ayton supporters share. All these "disgusted" fans will be just fine when the Suns are in the playoffs while Ayton is off chasing adult entertainment after the season ends.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:39 pmIt’s amazing, just looking at the comments on the Suns’ Instagram, what this team did to the fanbase. Everyone was excited for this season, perhaps more than any before, and for many (most?) fans that excitement has now been decimated. Now fans are more disgusted, disappointed, and depressed instead. What a way to start off a season.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:20 pm
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:32 pm
Sarver didn’t pay a single dollar in luxury taxes over the last decade. Ishbia will be over 50 million in tax payments his first two years. Just because Sarver said he’d pay 100 million doesn’t mean anything. He never actually did.
Our tax bill actually went up with this trade…and yes they now have less committed money next season, but that means nothing. They could trade Allen for a long term deal or re-sign him to a bigger contract. It’s true they could also let him expire and just take the savings, but that hasn’t happened yet. If they do, you can call that a cost cutting move. The trade itself was not one.
He’s done so many other things to increase spending, I don’t know why you’re stuck on him cutting costs because of a couple fringe moves. Even Steve Ballmer wouldn’t spend 120 million on Eric Gordon. I don’t blame Ishbia for saving 40 million by salary dumping Saric and Payne. Those weren’t super important players…though Saric admittedly could have maybe been useful.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:39 pm
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:41 pm
Sounds like it's time for you to find a new forum.JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:39 pmIt’s amazing, just looking at the comments on the Suns’ Instagram, what this team did to the fanbase. Everyone was excited for this season, perhaps more than any before, and for many (most?) fans that excitement has now been decimated. Now fans are more disgusted, disappointed, and depressed instead. What a way to start off a season.
Re: TRADE: Ayton/Camara for Nurkic/Allen/Little/Johnson
Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:43 pm
Yeah I have absolutely no idea what Jeremy is going on about here. Ishbia not only is spending well above the luxury tax but he also got a television deal that allows any fan in the state to watch the game on TV and got rid of regional sports bullshit, sent fans free antennas, brought back a D league team. Hearing this made up love for Sarver makes no sense. Never spent $100 million over the tax. The guy was always pinching pennies. I can't believe he's even arguing that Ishbia is some sort of cost cutting owner LOL.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:32 pmSarver didn’t pay a single dollar in luxury taxes over the last decade. Ishbia will be over 50 million in tax payments his first two years. Just because Sarver said he’d pay 100 million doesn’t mean anything. He never actually did.
Our tax bill actually went up with this trade…and yes they now have less committed money next season, but that means nothing. They could trade Allen for a long term deal or re-sign him to a bigger contract. It’s true they could also let him expire and just take the savings, but that hasn’t happened yet. If they do, you can call that a cost cutting move. The trade itself was not one.
He’s done so many other things to increase spending, I don’t know why you’re stuck on him cutting costs because of a couple fringe moves. Even Steve Ballmer wouldn’t spend 120 million on Eric Gordon. I don’t blame Ishbia for saving 40 million by salary dumping Saric and Payne. Those weren’t super important players…though Saric admittedly could have maybe been useful.